Next evolution, just a one line bash script.
I’m the opposite because I’ve had nothing but bad luck with docker. I should really spend more time with it but ugh
I’m like that. It feels like a total waste of resources, and introduces unneeded complexity for backup, updates, file access, networking and general maintenance.
I would take a deb repo over docker any day of the week.
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Honestly portainer isn’t really necessary as you can just have some folders with docker compose.
Portainer is huge and could be frustrating because too many settings. I prefer tools like dockge, yacht, or casaOS.
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Portainer is huge? It’s literally just one Docker container…
It’s definitely worth learning. I had the damnedest time with docker until I went to a meetup and had someone ELI5 to me. And it wasn’t that I wasn’t technical. I just couldn’t wrap my head around so many layers of extraction.
The guy was very patient with me and helped me get started with docker compose and the rest is history.
Abstraction?
For me it’s more like new interesting self hosted project and then find out it’s only distributed as a docker container without any proper packaging. As someone who runs FreeBSD, this is a frustration I’ve run into with quite a number of projects.
Eh even as a Linux admin, I prefer hand installs I understand over mysterious docker black boxes that ship god knows what.
Sure, if I’m trialing something to see if it’s worth my time, I’ll spin up a container. But once it’s time to actually deploy it, I do it by hand.
If it’s an open-source project, usually the dockerfiles are available for reading.
Do you audit every line of code that you run in production? If you are trying some new python/django/sql app, are you reviewing all that?
I’d assume with a python based project, you’d be able to at least look at requirements and tell there’s something that sets off red flags. And you are either familiar/trust the maintainer, or you are reviewing the actual python itself?
Beyond that, the dockerfile is essentially just installation instructions for getting it running on a virgin system of X distribution. I wouldn’t call that a black box.
If the container isn’t part of an open source project, then this is a moot point then. The project itself is a black box.
You do you. Speaking for myself, I prefer to understand and be able to trivially inspect and modify the moving parts in the things I deploy so I have a snowball’s chance in hell of debugging and fixing things when something inevitably goes wrong.
All I hear is FUD.
And all I see is someone taking this conversation way too personally.
You sound like someone who doesn’t want to save 10 minutes of work every day because it might cost you half an hour every month.
As someone that uses FreeBSD as its main server, it’s kinda the other way around haha
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Yeah no thanks I actually enjoy customizing my installs and not relying on docker for config management which it really shouldn’t be used for.
Only container I have that was well worth it is the OSX vm which makes it easy to swap versions and options without having to coax the crappy apple software.
Which I also only have because I thought it’d be funny to demo bluebubbles to my friends.
Me: install it, doesn’t work, read the docs, screw with all the missing things, doesn’t work, read the forms, install something else I missed, doesn’t work, find more forums, find the right answer, patch it up, get it working, figure out that the application is slow, missing critical features, and really just doesn’t do what I needed to do.
All-in-all a weekend well spent
It’s like I’m still in c/selfhosted
unpopular opinion docker is the worst creation in webdev besides js and react
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It’s because I’ve seen What people can do with a simple docker container that I completely agree. It’s too nice to go back.
I’d agree more if most docker stuff didn’t depend on running as root.
Stop pushing the popularity of Docker. It is proprietary software and runs completely opposite to the ideals of GNU/Linux.
This oh my God. Just the other day I tried to install a project off git, it had a nice little .bat file to install all the requirements except half if them just didn’t exist or were so niche I couldn’t find anything on them after searching. Would love more dockers please.
.bat?
*starts loading shotgun.
Surely you mean .sh, right?
Naw they only had windows projects. I run all my stuff through VMware. Gotta have windows for stupid easy anti-cheat. Trust me I only use it when I have to, please put the gun down mr railcar!
