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stupid sexy torvalds
OP traumatize me with Ubuntu font
Ubuntu is the new Comic Sans, right
No, comic sans is a special level of weird and annoying
The Ubuntu fonts are amazing
My impression is that Torvalds is actually a really nice guy he’s just very very honest?
Torvalds has had anger management issues in the past. Not saying I don’t understand with the shit he deals with.
He has told people that they should kill themself. I’m not trying to throw a shade on him but that’s the unfortunate truth.
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Context matters
Its a very blunt statement but also the way certain people talk. I honestly don’t think Torvalds wants the entire opensuse team tomkill themselves
He didn’t say “hey, <insert name here> go kill yourself”.
He said that if you’re a dev and think its normal to require root password for changing time or connecting to a network, then please kill yourself.
It’s more than anything an expression of frustration in which I recognize myself. I have to deal with a provider from which I won’t be able to leave for at least another year, which is extremely expensive and extremely incompetent, causing me literally days of work and I have wished in more than one occasion that they would all die in a fire because it’s all incompetent managers who don’t do the work they cause all the shit.
When he talks to someone directly, he’ll know, right, Mauro?
Context doesn’t matter because ultimately it’s directed at somebody and telling them to kill themselves. I don’t think he actually wanted that to happen, but he said it. It doesn’t make him a villain, but it’s something that shouldn’t happen.
Why? Are you concerned that the date/time widget author is going to kill themselves? Or do you just not like the concept and don’t think people should talk about it? Something else?
One of those options is unlikely and the other is just a taboo.
Honestly, I really didn’t expect people to argue that telling others to kill themselves is okay but here we are I guess.
I enjoy the argument because it’s a taboo, so nobody has a good argument. Nobody thinks it’s a real command. Nobody thinks for a moment Linus even wants that person dead. It’s Just Not How We Do Things here in Polite Society. We say “fuck you, c-loving geriatric” but “I can’t wait to see you in a grave, old man” is considered different even though the literal words are irrelevant. The speaker likely has no real interest in fucking the other coder, nor seeing them in a grave.
This amusingly puts it in precisely the same category as like, grandma being upset that their gkid won’t wear a bra or shave their pits.
I really don’t think context changes a lot in this case. Being frustrated doesn’t make statements like this acceptable. Neither does starting the sentence with “if” or being right (which he was).
Believe me, my intention is not to attack or discredit Linus. As a SE and Linux enthusiast I have a great deal of respect for him. But this is not exclusive with acknowledging that he is just a human and has flaws like all of us.
I brought this up to show that it’s more complicated than just being “really nice but very honest”, that’s all.
Source on this?
Sure, here you go: https://www.theregister.com/2012/02/29/torvalds_tantrum_opensuse/
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Is there a fetish community for people that want to be ripped apart by Torvalds’ anger?
It’s called masochism, so yes they exist
Kernel driver maintainer
I’m soaked.
Oh man, since I know very little about developing at the kernel level, I bet I’d get some sweet and soul-crushing novellas.
it’s the internet; if you can think it, it exists.
You’re already here
Could have painted it as a punishment for him for he changed his ways.
yeah fuck those entitled Rust Developers.
It was the other way around, LOL
Aw hell naw, torvalds supports rust in the kernel and the hate against it is just not based on reality
Sure he allows rust now in the kernel.org but I thought you were referring to the drama around Hector Martin.
The drama where he ended up ripping into the maintainer who’s trying to block rust code from being added? :P
yeah how dare they want to develop in the same way that everyone else does
they should have been a bit more respectful to the C maintainers and devs, as they were the newcomers.
They were pretty respectful, it was the C-devs that were at fault
being new does not mean you do not have the right to develop the same way everybody else is. they did not start these issues, there were C people causing issues for no reason other than not liking rust that started it.
Have you actually read the reasoning behind the anti-rust? it has absolutely nothing to do with it being rust. They would have just as many issues with it if it was Go instead.
But did you read the exchange this conversation is about? It sounds like you’re operating on month-old headlines.
The issue is with creating more work for others. Supporting a multi-language toolchain and build environment is a lot more work than a single language one. The R4L folks have made it their mission to shoehorn Rust into the kernel and they’ve explicitly stated that they will not avoid making more work for others. This has upset some longterm maintainers who did not sign up for additional workload.
Linus Torvalds has been accused of many things but he has always been loyal to his best maintainers. That’s been a big key to his success.
I think R4L may very well be the right idea in the long term but it should absolutely be thoroughly discussed what will be rust and what will remain C.
Introducing a new language with no guidelines is guaranteed to cause issues in the long term and likely significantly slow down development.
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Okay, then downvote and move on, or block me if this comment is just as annoying.
Not what downvotes are made for. I found it funny however.
Aren’t they meant for content you dislike?
Technically upvotes are for contents that befit the sub and are relevant, and downvotes are for things that are irrelevant for the sub they weren’t meant to be used as like/dislike.
Is there a source for that?
There’s likely no such thing. How you interpret upvotes and downvotes is up to you. But don’t you think that’s a more much more useful measure than “I like this” and “I don’t like this”?
- Nobody knows who upvoted or downvoted, at least if you don’t get to see the database or server logs. This means nobody would really know if you in particular liked some post or comment or not. IIRC Lemmy doesn’t even show you what your upvotes and downvotes are. This means you wouldn’t remember what you upvoted or downvoted.
- What we like or dislike has nothing to do with what is good for more people. We can dislike something, but it doesn’t mean that that something isn’t good for ourselves, or everyone else.
- Votes can sway where a post/comment appears depending on the sorting option.
Given all that info, you should know that votes matter not for yourself, but for others. Want something to be more visible up top in the Top sorted comments? Upvote. Up in Hot? Upvote. Want them down the list? Downvote.
So then the final question is, well how should I decide what do I want to be more visible and what do I want less? That’s really up to you and what you think your relationship with other people and your world is. You want chaos and like watching the world burn and have yourself caught in that too? Upvote crazy takes and downvote the sane voices of reason and care. Want to promote a healthier world where people have useful conversations that help each other in their lives? Upvote those good comments that do so.
Get your mind off the kind of Facebook voting treadmill where it’s your own visible voice and that everything is just about “me, me, and me” and focus on others for once.
Ofc, if you want to be a troll, have at it and do whatever you want. I’ve wasted my words on you, but I’ve at least left some words for other people.
That actually makes a lot of sense, but if people downvote the content they dislike that means the content is generally unfavorable, and therefore I wouldn’t want to see it. Imo these two “options” for how yo use downvotes are functionally the same.
Why would I be a troll BTW?
Write a blog post about it.
cry about it?
