It’s almost like if I’m constantly fed slop I avoid it
All they have to do is get the same guys that did the trailers for KoTOR and they’d see very good things come out of it. They’re just trying to milk it every way they can so that they can hold on to something now that they’re losing all their OG IPs to public domain.
That’s part of ot for sure. It’s grimdark. Read: boring.
Forever locked in a Jedi vs Sith binary. And it is the highest of heresy to dare imagine anything beyond it.
No it’s because it was shite,poorly written and lousy with weird polical shit and terrble gameplay.
star wars is inherently a political franchise
Disney killed the franchise by releasing slop year after year. Also by letting Ubisoft make a Star Wars game.
Star wars should be in the public domain by now
Could it be waning interest in the Ubislop formula?
No, it’s the gamers who are wrong!
I don’t even hate the Ubisoft formula, but it’s, like, dawg…. Try something new. I go years without being interested in the schlog, then I get really into one. But it’s astounding that they’re still putting out the same game for over a decade now. The trimmings might be a little spruced and fluffed here and there but the core loop is still the same fucking game, again and again and again.
Yeah, I played AC Odyssey and the DLC a while back, and I’m still burnt out on Assassin’s Creed about 4 years later.
It just seems designed to sap as much of your time as possible. Like an MMO but without any tangible benefit for them doing so.
And then they have the balls to sell items in game that speed up the gameplay.
I was level capped before I even touched the DLC. I ignored everything that was generated rather than having some story to it. There’s just a lot of game there. Too much, in fact.
I just don’t know who the funbucks shop is even for. It’s not like you can even show it off online because it’s single player…
Wasn’t it more that the game was a buggy mess? No that can’t have been it it was clearly the fans fault.
A) And yet, not long after, Andor was massively successful.
B) Then stop making games exclusively based off of third party IPs.
Waning interest in Ubisoft. Everything they touch is painfully generic and uninteresting. On top of that, they infect the games with Denuvo malware while charging top dollar. But sure, blame the consumers for your lack of vision, passion, business sense, and technical acumen. See how that pays off, Yves.
It’s really sad. I truly believe that Yves (or rather the Guillemots in general) were passionate about game development once. Now it feels mostly corporate, even though they still claim to be pro-gamer and innovative and fun. It’s double sad because they acquired quite some good studios that have to be shaped into their corp structure and ultimately lose their innovation. It’s not as bad as old-school EA, but it’s still subjectively bad.
I thought the game looked ok, but why would I pay $70 for a game that can disappear from my library whenever Ubisoft feels like it? They’ve demonstrated that they’re willing to permanently take games away from paying customers, so I’m not willing to spend more than the cost of a rental on one of their games.
And that’s the exact feeling I’ve had. So eloquently said. Thank you. 💯
If they sell me a product that i can’t forever keep, then I’ve been renting the whole time.
these arrogant assholes.
just like movies and TV, the waning interest in the franchise is only because you keep making shitty games with it.
If you people start making GOOD star wars stuff again, we WILL eat it up.
Andor is an example of excellent Star Wars content that people want to see. They just produced crap.
I actually strongly disagree.
Andor was an example of actually telling a new story. Yes, people were eager to know who Cassian was. But If you had polled the entire Star Wars fanbase, like five of us would have said “Oh, I want a deeply political story with a massive focus on social justice that heavily focuses on a politician and a spymaster’s daughter. Also, hold back zero punches about the kind of people who would spearhead a rebellion. Like, how crazy can Forrest go?”. And we would have fully admitted we were on our bullshit.
Which was basically the problem with Outlaws. Everyone has been asking for a Han Solo game since people realized a Star Wars Pacman could be a thing. And you need to go REAL hard to make that live up to people’s expectations.
Which, getting back to Andor: I would go so far as to say everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough. You have moments of brilliance (basically any time Skarsgard is on screen) but it spends too much time on a plot point it had already dropped and Cassian is kind of a mary sue. But we were enthralled because this was something NEW (well, less so if you have ever read a political thriller but… Star Wars!). And once it found its legs… it was painful beauty in all the best ways.
And, to go back to “It is a Han Solo game” or “It is a Jedi knight but not a Jedi Knight” and so forth? It doesn’t take much to realize “I have seen this story a million times” and wander off. Like, I know I basically did that once I heard there were insta-fail stealth sections (although I generally try to not give Ubi money to begin with). Same with Ginger McBoring Face Survivor. It had an interesting hook (I LOVED Dark Times and Dass Jennir) and the gameplay was fine but when it came time to come back for seconds it was just “Eh, I’m good”.
Nah. We need more Star Wars that people don’t KNOW they want to see. Not just the tired crap that an exec would think was gold.
I would have been one of those five people. I’ve always wanted adult Star Wars, and Andor finally gave it to me.
I think you guys are saying the same thing. People want to see something they haven’t seen before, even in the star wars universe.
I want to see my man Nom Anor messing things up for both the Rebels and Empire. Maybe make the Peace Brigade while he’s at it.
Its a fundamental mindset that goes into pitch meetings and the like.
Its the same idea behind game design/balance. If you listen to The Gamers, everything will be insanely OP and there will be no curve or balance at all. When the reality is they DO want that balance even if it means their favorite gun is slightly nerfed. But it will basically never be what they actually say when asked “what do you want?”
And same with franchises. People will always say “I want a game where I am Han or Luke” or “I want another KOTOR” and so forth. When the reality is that they don’t actually know what they want.
everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough.
I’m very curious why you think the Aldhani raid was rough. Also, season 2 is already done, and I think it in some ways surpasses season 1. Have you seen it?
Like I said immediately after that. Moments of it are brilliant but it is clear there were still a lot of ways the plot could have gone and the showrunners were keeping their options over. And, while I think Aldhani was good, the Citra weirdness and Cassian being a mary sue who could do the entire rebellion better than anyone who was there. Whereas once Vel became more of a main character (and used to contrast Mon’s inability to overtly act) and they focused more on one story rather than having the option to tell ten, it became one of my favorite shows of all time.
As for Season 2? I strongly disliked how zany and fun Cassian’s infiltration of the prototype facility was but also understand that they needed to make something so that the trailers aren’t just bleak and horrifying while speeding Cassian to the point of not just being a Believer but being a Leader. But after that time skip it resumed being one of my favorite shows of all time And a big part of that was not even pretending that Mon isn’t the actual main character with Cassian and Kleya more a means to an end… which also fits with what they actually came to accept over the years.
Oh man, I thought I was the only one who didn’t care what was happening until the prison. People were constantly gushing about how amazing it is…but like, it was fine…
Personally I’m pretty tired of Star wars, every entertainment product doesn’t need to belong to a Disney franchise
Same, all the Star Wars slop Disney has churned out has completely washed any lingering magic out of the fabric of the franchise for me. I don’t even feel the desire to watch supposedly good Star Wars products like Andor these days.
Yeah, the Baby Yoda Show was its last dying gasp for me. I see the same pattern in most industries: something is profitable, so lean hard into it until the bubble bursts. It’s great for short-term profits but bad for long term and worse overall. I’m not particularly intelligent or educated in business but even I can see this is a terrible strategy.
Star by Star, Traitor, and Destiny’s Way are pretty good. I want some Alpha Red.
Unpopular Opinion: The Yuuzhan Vong Invasion would’ve been better than the Sequel Trilogy.
Seeing that business with Ithor on the big screen would’ve been great.
Anything with a cohesive narrative would have been better than the sequel trilogy, including Dark Empire. Hell, Abrams did Dark Empire anyway, he just compressed it into a single film along with ESB and ROTJ because he’s never had a single original idea about Star Wars.
IMHO, J.J. Abrams should not be allowed to touch any scriptwriting duties ever. He is not a bad director, but he doesn’t seem to give a shit about the internal logic of the script if it comes in conflict with the “cool ideas” he has.
His two Star Trek films were perfect examples of this fallacy, as was the last and worst Star Wars film. With Star Trek he kinda butchered the heart of the franchise - the point of using starships to explore - with “Oh, the transporter can now beam stuff over interplanetary and interstellar distances, because it will be so awesome and less time consuming!”
Yes, it’s science fiction and suspension of disbelief is required to fully enjoy it, but it is possible to obey the decades old in-universe rules and still write an enticing storyline if you put a little effort in it. Sad model example of lazy writing.
Of course the fault is not all his, the other producers should have stopped his stupid ideas but chose not to. Still, ROS was so bad that the guy should have been blacklisted for life.
Honestly, I view ROS as the “Fuck it” movie. All the direction of where the story should go was pretty much dead after TLJ.
They just need to focus on a planet hopping mmo that runs a real world 9 year cycle through the movie eras. No character selection, full randomized setup where you find out what you’re capable of as go. You may not end up a Jedi but you might end up the most notorious bounty hunter in the galaxy or you build end up born a clone dying minutes into first combat.
Star Wars roguelike? I’d play it
The game looked quite generic to me. As someone who’s not deep into Star Wars, the titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure. And the gameplay also looked like they just slapped yet another texture pack onto something I’ve seen a thousand times already.
So, I don’t see why you’d buy this game in particular, unless you do a lot of gaming or a lot of Star Wars. I imagine, they missed out on most sales towards the more casual crowd.
titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure
So more like star wars inlaws than outlaws?
Not waning interest in Ubisoft?
Because, ooh boy, did my interest in Ubisoft wane year after year of overproduced cookie cutter crap. And I’m not expecting a change of phase.
Also, Guillemot, you’re talking publicly a lot for someone with (now convicted) sexual harrasser friends you’ve protected all of your career.
I don’t know how it has taken people so long to realize something I realized around AssCreed3, that all Ubisoft does is release the same game with a different skin over and over again.
Even Call Of Duty tends to introduce new mechanics in each version.
If you stopped playing after 3, and who could blame you, than you did miss out on Black Flag which was probably the high point of the series. But your general point still stands, Black Flag is kind of the exception that proves the rule.
Honestly I only played the first one, but I do know that Black Flag is the most loved one. However when I say what I say it is not just about assassins creed, the observation which at that point was rather obvious for me was that ever Ubisoft franchise was more or less following the same template and it has only gotten worse.
Yeah, like beating a dead horse, it has no giddy-up and go. What the hell were they thinking when they decided to do Star Wars Outlaws?
This is perfect.
