Oh yeah, I was trying to stick to retailed products, but yes, homebrew shotgun rounds have been around for basically as long as shotguns.
Another kind of homebrew shot is coin shot:
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2020/06/17/shooting-pennies-shotgun/
I’ve heard anecdotally that people have been doing that for quite a while.
I did not know an actual anti drone, net round existed!
Not especially useful against drones, nor open warfare, there are also less than lethal rubber rounds…
… and a self contained taser round:
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/taser-x12-xrep-a-taser-in-a-shotgun-shell/
I don’t know if the xrep is still actually manufactured though.
Oh right! Dragon’s breath! Illegal in half the country!
I heard that guy’s a real crack shot.
Hah, I suppose that could work!
Reminds me of ratshot .22 rounds.
Maybe somebody will start properly manufacturing basically ratshot 5.56 rounds.
Other people have already pointed out that your conception of shotgun spread is essentially based in video games, where the spread is (in all but basically milsim games) greatly exaggerated.
You’ve countered that drones can fly higher than an actual shotgun range.
Yep. They can.
… Did you read the article I posted?
Shotguns are being used fairly commonly by both sides.
It doesn’t matter what you or I think about how practical or useful they are…
The people fighting the war think they are practical and useful.
…
Nonetheless, here’s my attempt to explain the popularity of shotguns in Ukraine as anti drone weapons:
This is not a solution geared toward being able to shoot down any drone, of any size or capability, at any range, at any altitude.
Obviously a shotgun is not going to be able to shootdown a greyhawk or reaper style drone.
Most of the small FPV drones that attack infantry or ground vehicles do so by basically either dropping a bomb or grenade or mortar round from maybe 25 to 150 feet in the air…
Or just being rigged with some kind of an explosive to explode on contact or via a remote trigger.
(Also, these cheap FPV drones do not really handle altitudes above roughly 150 ft that well (though this will vary by exact model). Unless its a dead calm day, gusts of wind easily blow them around, draining its limited batteries as it tries to keep its position steady, severly shortening the drone’s range.)
These kinds of drones are extremely cheap, plentiful, and effective against infantry and many ground vehicles…
When it comes to these kinds of drones, shotguns are also extremely cheap and plentiful, and practical self defense weapons.
Shotguns are more useful against these kinds of FPV drones than an average assault rifle, due to the spread of shot.
They are way, way more cost effective than using a tunguska or gephard or some kind of MANPADS platform designed to shoot down jet aircraft.
Shotguns are also just more numerous, and don’t require specialized training/equipment like a dedicated AA platform or EM jamming and all the equipment that entails.
You can just give a few out to every squad or vehicle crew, and thats way, waaay better than just hoping you’re operating near enough to an expensive friendly AA platform that exists in far more limited numbers, or being SOL if you’re not.
Further, a shotgun is also just useful as a general combat weapon.
Sure, buckshot has limited range, but sometimes fights occur within tight conditions… namely trenches or an urban environment.
Also slug rounds exist and can give you more range than buck or birdshot.
Also you can use door breacher rounds, or slugs in a pinch, to blow apart door hinges and locks.
We have new feature, use it!
No, its broken and stupid, I prefer old feature.
… Fine!
breaks old feature even harder
There are some, handheld firearms that are used as a last-ditch / cheap anti drone solution in Ukraine, by both sides.
Drum roll…
Its shotguns.
Because they have a spread of multiple shot pellets instead of a single bullet.
Fucking obviously duh, they’ve been used to hunt small, evasive birds routinely, everywhere, for like 150+ years.
Hunting a nimble flying object with a sniper rifle is a laughably absurd idea.
This actual post from this woman is so stupid I would have thought it was from a 12 year old whose only experience with guns is from CoD… but nope, its a 50ish(?) year old woman.
Guess she’s never hunted birds, and thinks its just the same as hunting deer or hogs or something???
Doordash only picks SNAP food from basically gas stations, good luck ordering fresh fruit and produce from Amazon.
Instacart does do pickup from some local grocery stores that take SNAP, kind of, barely, but thats waaaay outta my budget.
I have a Walmart+ subscription, literally the only thing I’m subscribed to (beyond utilities or whatever).
Why?
I’m disabled, live off of only disability, my car got stolen.
Walmart accepts SNAP, and a + subscription gets you free, same day deliveries from your local store, as well as free 3 day shipping for something they retail but don’t have in stock at the moment at your local store.
Very, very useful for groceries when you have no means to get to a grocery store.
A subscription costs a bit less than $15 bucks a month, and deliveries cost $10 bucks minimum each time otherwise.
… Had I a car, I’d hobble to food banks. But I don’t, and am basically immobile, and still require food to not die.
…
You know all those meal kit delivery plans you see everyone advertising on their youtube videos?
Yeah, none of them (that I’m aware of) accept SNAP, even though they easily could, as they’re not sending you hot food.
Yep.
If its possible for someone to choose an older, less expensive game, then that means those games are market competitors for similar modern games, with more mechanics designed to coax money out of you.
Its basically a hyper charged version of planned obsolesence.
Legitimately did not know a cat could assume that pose.
What a goober.
You can get like, cooked noodles with shredded, decent quality cheese, which are refrigerable and have maybe a week or two till they go bad… you can get those from some places delis, and they are actually pretty decent when microwaved…
But yeah, the infinite shelf life, dry noodles and cheese powder, just add water… shit is disgusting when microwaved.
Ahaha! I did not catch that.
And its difficulty walking and using my right arm/hand.
Still recovering from homelessness/being assaulted more times than I can remember.
Top Triangloid: Excessive cursing and crassness.
Lower Left Triangloid: Lives with more than one cat.
Bottom Left Right Triangloid:
Occasionally has some difficulty standing up straight and walking properly on dry land.
Oh, because of the primary driver of most kinds of crime:
Poverty.
If you want to lower crime, you lower poverty, you put social safety nets in place.
Does this solve crime 100%?
No, but its something like one hundred to ten thousand times more cost effective than not doing that and increasing policing instead.
… America is a country where homeless people routinely commit bank robberies with unloaded guns and then surrender to police … because at least then they get some level of permanent shelter, food, and health care.
Mostly for memes about beans.
Uh but for real because reddit quite literally sold out and went full corpo.
Its… kind of both.
It contains a bunch of minigames, but you unlock more content and such for it by playing the main game.
… but Doctor…
I am Carl’s Jr.
Yeah, that one is also infuriating to hear people misuse.
The entire point is not that its a small problem, its that its a big problem.
Along the same lines:
“Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.”
This was originally written as an obviously physically impossible absurdity, a modern equivalent would be the ‘plug the power strip into itself for infinite energy’ memes.
Yet it is instead used to mean … its time for you to do a lot of hard work, and then you’ll be in a better place.
When it instead was originally used to describe an extremely dire situation that cannot be solved by doing … the sentence above.
So I have no actual source on any kind of coinshot…
But why not use half pennies?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_cent_(United_States_coin)
Yes, the US used to have half pennies.
Imagine buying an apple for $0.03½
Anyway, they stopped being minted in 1857, but that’s still within the early timeframe of ‘The West’, and I’d bet they were still used in circulation for another decade or two.
That’d be cheaper than using nickels, haha.