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    Scientific socialism sounds like the way to go, but don’t act like China is a democracy.

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      China is by no means perfect, but far more democratic than the US “beacon of democracy” ever was. There’s a reason over 90% are happy with their government. https://dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html#is-china-a-democracy

      They are also a good example of the practice of scientific socialism. They’ve extensively studied the Soviet Union as to avoid their mistakes. They also study the contradictions of their society to develop harmonically. I recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: a Foreigner’s Guide.

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        Both Russia and China are authoritarian. 90% are happy with the government in the same way that 86% voted for Putin.

        It’s fake numbers.

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          Fake numbers about a US enemy from harvard? Shouldn’t we be hearing about the 10% who didn’t like the government being punished if there actually is coercion?

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          Authoritarian is a nonsense term. You said you support socialism right? It cannot exist without capitalists feeling and being vocal about their oppression. All the media portrays China as evil because they are the antithesis of our sick society.

          “Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part…” - Fredrick Engels

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            Alright, let me say it differently.

            China is a one party system. The party elects its leader themselves. There’s no choice. There’s no other direction. And when they censor things heavily, they also control the narrative.

            China doesn’t perform well on living standard. Too many homeless and a great part of the population lives in poverty.

            Work week is 6 days a week and 12 hours a day.

            There’s not one thing China is the best at when it comes to welfare and living standards.

            So no, it’s by no means a great example.

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              You did not look at the resources I sent lmao. Do you have any sources for your claims?

              China is a one party system.

              False. Even Wikipedia can debunk your claims. There are nine parties in China, which work together in consultation on policy. Boer has a whole chapter on this. There is no requirement of party membership for running in elections and they have tons of elections. The reason they don’t have a bunch of spectacle where people pretend they hate each other and the president is whomever can procure the most money and be the most charismatic like the US is because they manage their contradictions non-antagonistically (another thing Boer talks about).

              China doesn’t perform well on living standard.

              A laughable statement. China is doing better than the US. But, the US has centuries of imperialism it benefits from, so why compare it to China, when India is more comparable and has 7 years lower life expectancy.

              Too many homeless and a great part of the population lives in poverty.

              Of all the things to accuse China of, that is not it.

              Work week is 6 days a week and 12 hours a day.

              You really need to source these claims. Anyway, labor rights are increasing year by year. They a whole lot better than other countries with large manufacturing industry.

              There’s not one thing China is the best at when it comes to welfare and living standards.

              My shock when a country that’s less than a 100 years out of its century of humiliation isn’t the absolute best at everything.

              So no, it’s by no means a great example.

              Eliminating poverty, , leading the world by far in technological innovation, and being the largest economy not too long after being a feudal backwater without colonies isn’t exemplary?