Urologists do vasectomies and they don’t generally harass guys about their reproductive choices because sexism (vasectomies being easier to reverse is probably a factor too).
Holup. Is that a penis specific doctor or is there no penis specific doctor while everyone is going around saying vagina science is way behind penis science because societal level discrimination?
Also, literally everyone I meet who hears about it gives me shit for my choice to never have kids, and I’m a guy. Just because you don’t experience it doesn’t mean guys don’t also take shit from the baby crazy people. I’m an antinatalist.
Women also have urinary tracts so no, Urologists treat both sexes. Believe it or not gynecology was very sexist in the era where only men could be doctors. The presence of a specialty does not preclude it from bias and harm.
Also saying penis specific and vagina specific is really missing the mark, it’s generally the internal stuff that is more of an issue (prostates for men, womb, ovaries and fallopian tubes for women).
Men are generally more permitted by traditional western society to pursue things outside of raising a family than women are, and as with most things personal experience can and will vary.
Yes on the bullshit, less on the creepy sexual part.
More a mix of people who viewed it as ensuring families are healthy and populous, and looking out for a husbands wife’s reproductive tract and keeping his wife’s vagina “good”, and making money with a speciality.
Even in the era when “manual stimulation” as a treatment for hysteria was a thing, there are consistent records of doctors loathing the procedure. Part of what inspired the creation of the vibrator.
I got my vasectomy done through Planned Parenthood. I had to go in for a screening first where they asked questions like, “Are you sure you want to do this?” and I said yeah and they said, “Really sure?” and I said yeah, so they said “OK cool, come back in two weeks and we’ll snip snip.”
Had mine done through the NHS. Basically two questions, “do you have children already” and “how long since your last child was born?”.
If you haven’t had kids yet, you just need to explain why you want a vasectomy, usually with a specialist. If your last child was born less than two months ago, they want you to wait (apparently a lot of men’s first reaction to the realities of having a baby is to try to ensure it won’t happen again).
Because sometimes its about protecting yourself from yourself.
Making sure someone wants a vasectomy because they have all the children they want is a different thing from wanting a vasectomy as a jump scare reaction to just having had a baby and oh shit oh shit, let me do something I’ll regret later.
Fully agree that doctors take precautions with procedures that are hard to reverse or potentially irreversible.
If you want to be ignorant and dumb, be my guest, be careless, but we WILL stop you. This “but muh freedom”, FUCK your freedom. There are limits to everything, including freedoms.
Because medical ethics requires some degree of confidence that you’re not making a permanent decision that you’ll regret.
Unnecessary hurdles like mandatory waiting periods, refusing to do it without someone else’s consent, or refusal to do it at all if you’re childless are wrong, but making sure someone understands the procedure and it’s consequences and that what they’re asking for is actually solving the complaint they want to solve is just being responsible.
Sure, but you still need to convince someone else you are informed and educated on the risks and outcomes.
You get a handful of really bad stories, but most doctors just want to make sure they don’t have a patient knocking on their door complaining that this vasectomy thing isn’t what they wanted.
It is entirely your decision. It’s also their decision if they can ethically perform the procedure.
Some people read that a vasectomy can be reversed and understand that they are 100% reversible 100% of the time. If someone says they want a vasectomy so they can skip other forms of birth control until they’re ready to have kids, the doctor needs to correct their misunderstanding before they can ethically perform the procedure.
“Informed consent” requires making sure the individual is “informed”, “able to consent”, and “consenting”.
Because like it or not, it’s not the doctors job to do whatever you want no questions asked. It’s to evaluate need, desire, and risks and advise and act accordingly.
The doctor who would perform an unnecessary procedure without doing that is just as bad as the one who refuses. Maybe worse.
Sterilization is quite a bit different from abortion.
An abortion is a choice not to have a child. Sterilization is a choice to permanently alter your body such that you can never have children.
A doctor talking to a patient to ensure they understand a procedure and it’s consequences and that those consequences are what they want when those consequences are permanent is just responsible.
It’s entirely the patients decision, but that doesn’t mean the doctor shouldn’t confirm their intent.
When I broached the subject with my doctor he asked how many kids I have. I said 0. He seemed to have more of a personal reaction as if a friend had said that and he started to push back ever so slightly saying something like “but kids are great”. I just responded matter of factly that that shouldn’t matter. He instantly snapped out of it and back to doctor mode, apologized, and set up the referral. I was snipped inside a month with not another whisper of hesitancy from anyone.
Urologists do vasectomies and they don’t generally harass guys about their reproductive choices because sexism (vasectomies being easier to reverse is probably a factor too).
Holup. Is that a penis specific doctor or is there no penis specific doctor while everyone is going around saying vagina science is way behind penis science because societal level discrimination?
Also, literally everyone I meet who hears about it gives me shit for my choice to never have kids, and I’m a guy. Just because you don’t experience it doesn’t mean guys don’t also take shit from the baby crazy people. I’m an antinatalist.
Women also have urinary tracts so no, Urologists treat both sexes. Believe it or not gynecology was very sexist in the era where only men could be doctors. The presence of a specialty does not preclude it from bias and harm.
Also saying penis specific and vagina specific is really missing the mark, it’s generally the internal stuff that is more of an issue (prostates for men, womb, ovaries and fallopian tubes for women).
Men are generally more permitted by traditional western society to pursue things outside of raising a family than women are, and as with most things personal experience can and will vary.
Gynecology probably used to be really bullshit and run by dudes who just wanted to deal with vagina for a living.
Yes on the bullshit, less on the creepy sexual part.
More a mix of people who viewed it as ensuring families are healthy and populous, and looking out for a husbands wife’s reproductive tract and keeping his wife’s vagina “good”, and making money with a speciality.
Even in the era when “manual stimulation” as a treatment for hysteria was a thing, there are consistent records of doctors loathing the procedure. Part of what inspired the creation of the vibrator.
Actually most of them do.
I can’t speak for that myself but my brother said he had a very easy time with his.
Can they foretell Uranus’s movements?
I’d refer you to an astronomer for that
Or an astrologer, if you want the dollar-store version.
I got my vasectomy done through Planned Parenthood. I had to go in for a screening first where they asked questions like, “Are you sure you want to do this?” and I said yeah and they said, “Really sure?” and I said yeah, so they said “OK cool, come back in two weeks and we’ll snip snip.”
Very easy process, highly recommend.
Had mine done through the NHS. Basically two questions, “do you have children already” and “how long since your last child was born?”.
If you haven’t had kids yet, you just need to explain why you want a vasectomy, usually with a specialist. If your last child was born less than two months ago, they want you to wait (apparently a lot of men’s first reaction to the realities of having a baby is to try to ensure it won’t happen again).
Why should I have to explain my choices regarding my body? Take my money and do your job or don’t and I’ll go to someone else who will.
That doctor would be paid by the NHS, not by you.
What’s NHS? I don’t have insurance.
NHS = National Health Service
It’s what we have in the UK, and essentially means that all your health care is free.
Vasectomy = free. Having a baby in hospital = free. CAT scan = free. Insulin = free.
Admittedly, it’s paid for in taxes, but at a small fraction of the cost of the American way of doing things.
Yeah I don’t have that.
Because sometimes its about protecting yourself from yourself.
Making sure someone wants a vasectomy because they have all the children they want is a different thing from wanting a vasectomy as a jump scare reaction to just having had a baby and oh shit oh shit, let me do something I’ll regret later.
Fully agree that doctors take precautions with procedures that are hard to reverse or potentially irreversible.
Never protect me from me.
Alright, so next time when you drunkenly stumble into a heavy traffic road, I’ll let you die
If infind you on the ground having a heart attack, I’ll just leave you to die
When you are about to eat poisonous food, I won’t warn you, go right ahead.
You “i never make mistakes!!” Guys are tiring
Let me die.
Yeah well, ain’t gonna happen.
If you want to be ignorant and dumb, be my guest, be careless, but we WILL stop you. This “but muh freedom”, FUCK your freedom. There are limits to everything, including freedoms.
I have some tea for you. Come enjoy this meal.
Because medical ethics requires some degree of confidence that you’re not making a permanent decision that you’ll regret.
Unnecessary hurdles like mandatory waiting periods, refusing to do it without someone else’s consent, or refusal to do it at all if you’re childless are wrong, but making sure someone understands the procedure and it’s consequences and that what they’re asking for is actually solving the complaint they want to solve is just being responsible.
Doctors aren’t mechanics.
That’s entirely my decision. Bodily autonomy is most important.
Sure, but you still need to convince someone else you are informed and educated on the risks and outcomes.
You get a handful of really bad stories, but most doctors just want to make sure they don’t have a patient knocking on their door complaining that this vasectomy thing isn’t what they wanted.
It is entirely your decision. It’s also their decision if they can ethically perform the procedure.
Some people read that a vasectomy can be reversed and understand that they are 100% reversible 100% of the time. If someone says they want a vasectomy so they can skip other forms of birth control until they’re ready to have kids, the doctor needs to correct their misunderstanding before they can ethically perform the procedure.
“Informed consent” requires making sure the individual is “informed”, “able to consent”, and “consenting”.
That sounds fair enough tbh. You gotta know what the function of what you’re getting is.
Because like it or not, it’s not the doctors job to do whatever you want no questions asked. It’s to evaluate need, desire, and risks and advise and act accordingly.
The doctor who would perform an unnecessary procedure without doing that is just as bad as the one who refuses. Maybe worse.
It doesn’t need to be necessary. It’s not their call. It’s no different from getting an abortion.
Sterilization is quite a bit different from abortion.
An abortion is a choice not to have a child. Sterilization is a choice to permanently alter your body such that you can never have children.
A doctor talking to a patient to ensure they understand a procedure and it’s consequences and that those consequences are what they want when those consequences are permanent is just responsible.
It’s entirely the patients decision, but that doesn’t mean the doctor shouldn’t confirm their intent.
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I’m honestly not sure what you’re disapproving of.
When I broached the subject with my doctor he asked how many kids I have. I said 0. He seemed to have more of a personal reaction as if a friend had said that and he started to push back ever so slightly saying something like “but kids are great”. I just responded matter of factly that that shouldn’t matter. He instantly snapped out of it and back to doctor mode, apologized, and set up the referral. I was snipped inside a month with not another whisper of hesitancy from anyone.
Depends on your country. In France not all urologists will help you