AMD used to have the same issue - their drivers were proprietary and buggy (anyone remember fglrx?). The difference is that they did something about it. Their modern drivers are open-source and mainlined so it’s easy for anyone to work on them. New kernel display/GPU features always come to AMD first, because the kernel developers working on the new feature can just add it to the AMD driver themselves.
Nvidia have open-source drivers now, but they’re still out of tree (so they’ll always lag behind the kernel) and AFAIK they have no plains to merge them into the kernel.
I appreciate Nvidia’s efforts, and their newer drivers are much better than older ones (especially now that they support explicit sync), but they’re just not as good as AMD’s.
I appreciate the fruit of NVidia’s efforts… But that they were forced into it by a pack of wolves is morally wrong, and those responsible need to be ousted from open source, blacklisted from any IT work forever for needlessly inflicting harm on a company and it’s users over a licensing preference.
So instead of accepting that the driver should be GPL and part of the kernel, you turn things around and pretend the development of the kernel is the way that it is because of a conspiracy against Nvidia?
The bit regarding Wayland doesn’t make sense, no idea what you’re getting at. Though maybe you don’t follow Linux developments?
It’s not a conspiracy. Here’s Linus, himself, publicly picking a fight with NVidia. All because of a driver not being open source. I love open source, I love the GPL, but no individual or company should be required to do business that way. It’s up to them, as is their right.
Closed source isn’t a crime. However trying to ruin a company with exclusionary tactics can be. Linux kernel devs and Wayland devs have all conspired to harm a company.
Closed source isn’t a crime. However trying to ruin a company with exclusionary tactics can be. Linux kernel devs and Wayland devs have all conspired to harm a company.
NVIDIA kinda shoot themselves in the foot on Linux and excluding themselves. Refusing to support generally supported APIs like;
VA-API
NVIDIA rather wants the OSS community the use their VDPAU or NVENC / NVDEC API’s. Whilst everything and dog uses VA-API.
GBM
Not true anymore (for driver above 495), but in the past NVIDIA refused to support GBM (for Wayland) and rather have compositors use EGLStreams instead of GBM.
Next to that modern NVIDIA hardware (GTX 900 and 1000 series) on the opensource Nouveau drivers cannot be reclocked because it needs some magically blessed signature by NVIDIA. NVIDIA refuses to supply that signature for that hardware but did release it for 1600 and up series.
That’s just two things where I am like, dafuq are you doing NVIDIA…
AMD used to have the same issue - their drivers were proprietary and buggy (anyone remember fglrx?). The difference is that they did something about it. Their modern drivers are open-source and mainlined so it’s easy for anyone to work on them. New kernel display/GPU features always come to AMD first, because the kernel developers working on the new feature can just add it to the AMD driver themselves.
Nvidia have open-source drivers now, but they’re still out of tree (so they’ll always lag behind the kernel) and AFAIK they have no plains to merge them into the kernel.
I appreciate Nvidia’s efforts, and their newer drivers are much better than older ones (especially now that they support explicit sync), but they’re just not as good as AMD’s.
I appreciate the fruit of NVidia’s efforts… But that they were forced into it by a pack of wolves is morally wrong, and those responsible need to be ousted from open source, blacklisted from any IT work forever for needlessly inflicting harm on a company and it’s users over a licensing preference.
Could have been, if Linux kernel devs and wayland devs weren’t trying to break it all the time.
So instead of accepting that the driver should be GPL and part of the kernel, you turn things around and pretend the development of the kernel is the way that it is because of a conspiracy against Nvidia?
The bit regarding Wayland doesn’t make sense, no idea what you’re getting at. Though maybe you don’t follow Linux developments?
It’s not a conspiracy. Here’s Linus, himself, publicly picking a fight with NVidia. All because of a driver not being open source. I love open source, I love the GPL, but no individual or company should be required to do business that way. It’s up to them, as is their right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
Do you even assemble the sentences in your head before you post?
That is precisely the issue, it’s closed source.
Now you’re just trolling. Did your dad block all the porn in your home network and now you’re bored?
Closed source isn’t a crime. However trying to ruin a company with exclusionary tactics can be. Linux kernel devs and Wayland devs have all conspired to harm a company.
NVIDIA kinda shoot themselves in the foot on Linux and excluding themselves. Refusing to support generally supported APIs like;
NVIDIA rather wants the OSS community the use their VDPAU or NVENC / NVDEC API’s. Whilst everything and dog uses VA-API.
Not true anymore (for driver above 495), but in the past NVIDIA refused to support GBM (for Wayland) and rather have compositors use EGLStreams instead of GBM.
Next to that modern NVIDIA hardware (GTX 900 and 1000 series) on the opensource Nouveau drivers cannot be reclocked because it needs some magically blessed signature by NVIDIA. NVIDIA refuses to supply that signature for that hardware but did release it for 1600 and up series.
That’s just two things where I am like, dafuq are you doing NVIDIA…