On its 10th anniversary, Signal’s president wants to remind you that the world’s most secure communications platform is a nonprofit. It’s free. It doesn’t track you or serve you ads. It pays its engineers very well. And it’s a go-to app for hundreds of millions of people.
Seriously, what are you talking about? The vast majority of people don’t want anonymity. Obviously Signal isn’t cut out for that! The fact is, most people don’t care about anonymity.
And what metadata can you harvest exactly from a UNIX timestamp and phone number? Signal can tell who is communicating to who, but they cannot read your messages.
Most people, even in this very thread, clearly don’t understand the implications of phone number harvesting. Also do give citations for your bombastic claim that most people don’t want anonymity.
And what metadata can you harvest exactly from a UNIX timestamp and phone number? Signal can tell who is communicating to who, but they cannot read your messages.
The graph of who communicates with whom is precisely the problem. The government can easily correlate that data with all the other data they have on people, and then if somebody is identified as a person of interest it becomes easy to find other people who associate with them. So, here you just proved my point by showing that you yourself don’t understand the implications of metadata harvesting.
Also do give citations for your bombastic claim that most people don’t want anonymity.
This is entirely dependent on the situation. Privacy is not a black or white thing where you’re completely private or not private at all. Everyone lives some part of their life publicly. I don’t have data on this unfortunately, but typically where I live, people share phone numbers to people they personally know.
The graph of who communicates with whom is precisely the problem. The government can easily correlate that data with all the other data they have on people, and then if somebody is identified as a person of interest it becomes easy to find other people who associate with them. So, here you just proved my point by showing that you yourself don’t understand the implications of metadata harvesting.
This is not within the vast majority of most peoples threat model.
I never suggested privacy was black and white. What I actually said was that a lot of people aren’t making an informed choice. And whenever these threads come up, people pile on to dismiss legitimate problems with the way Signal works which makes it harder for people to make informed choices by spreading noise and misinformation. This very thread is full of wrong claims and dismissals.
Majority of people don’t even need Signal because they’re not talking about anything anybody cares about. At that point you can use whatever messenger that’s convenient and your circle of friends uses. However, people shove Signal down other people’s throat claiming that it’s a privacy focused app which it demonstrably is not.
Seriously, what are you talking about? The vast majority of people don’t want anonymity. Obviously Signal isn’t cut out for that! The fact is, most people don’t care about anonymity.
And what metadata can you harvest exactly from a UNIX timestamp and phone number? Signal can tell who is communicating to who, but they cannot read your messages.
Most people, even in this very thread, clearly don’t understand the implications of phone number harvesting. Also do give citations for your bombastic claim that most people don’t want anonymity.
The graph of who communicates with whom is precisely the problem. The government can easily correlate that data with all the other data they have on people, and then if somebody is identified as a person of interest it becomes easy to find other people who associate with them. So, here you just proved my point by showing that you yourself don’t understand the implications of metadata harvesting.
This is entirely dependent on the situation. Privacy is not a black or white thing where you’re completely private or not private at all. Everyone lives some part of their life publicly. I don’t have data on this unfortunately, but typically where I live, people share phone numbers to people they personally know.
This is not within the vast majority of most peoples threat model.
I never suggested privacy was black and white. What I actually said was that a lot of people aren’t making an informed choice. And whenever these threads come up, people pile on to dismiss legitimate problems with the way Signal works which makes it harder for people to make informed choices by spreading noise and misinformation. This very thread is full of wrong claims and dismissals.
Majority of people don’t even need Signal because they’re not talking about anything anybody cares about. At that point you can use whatever messenger that’s convenient and your circle of friends uses. However, people shove Signal down other people’s throat claiming that it’s a privacy focused app which it demonstrably is not.
This is about Signal having the phone numbers. I don’t think anybody “personally knows” Signal…