Trans people, seriously, they just want to live their lives in peace. They’re not here to radicalise anything or to “trick” anyone. They just want to get on with their lives and be left alone.
Are people really stupid enough to think that every single trans person is a loud screeching SJW?
Even if they were so what? You have to be cynical about these things and figure out how much danger every given person represents. I am in far less danger from someone who yells loudly on Instagram compared to some proud boy marching on the street. One makes the internet kinda boring the other sets off bombs.
It is a bit disingenuous to say they are just trying to live their lives in peace, they have chosen an antagonistic path by pushing to normalize the way gender is viewed in culture, which is an upset of the status quo, and that is radical by definition. it doesn’t matter what their motivations are for that to be true.
And they choose this path because LGBT folks have been getting bullied, assaulted and murdered for just existing for about as long as civilization has existed. If they don’t stand up for themselves nobody else is going to do it for them.
The key word is “trying” - most of them are trying to live their lives largely without bothering anyone - except that “anyone” is composed of a lot of people that can’t put up with their existence. Not through any fault of the person, just because of the way they are.
I do get what you’re saying. But it’s a half step away from deriding them for their very existence, which is disgusting. They are attempting to break the status quo in the same way the civil rights movement did.
My problem is I can’t not see transgender expression as mostly being a choice. What they do to deal with their dysphoria (which amounts to body image issues, I know how serious that can be) is a decision. The decision to just go for it and start presenting as the opposite gender is the most challenging one, by nature it’s destined to be radical and have the most pushback. It’s not their body image issues that tgey are derided for, it’s their action, not their existence
Do I think that is bad? No. It is a classic underdog story, there is everything to root for
Yet I cannot view it as being even close to the civil rights movement, where people just have the wrong skin color. It just isn’t the same.
If someone is born as a boy and later in life they just decide to go “fuck you, I’m a woman” that’s punk, you cannot expect everyone from all backgrounds to understand, it is a really confronting thing. It’s actually very metal. I don’t see how anyone can think it’s just everyday existence. It’s totally a cultural choice and not just them ‘existing’ like a black person during the civil rights movement.
Trans people exist who who aren’t activists, but they are still part of a counterculture. It is very punk-coded. At some point in the past, punk people liked being seen as radicals.
It’s similar to veganism, they yell really loud to make it known they want peace while at the sime time disturbing everyone else and expecting friendliness.
It’s like that annoying neighbour that blasts music at full volume just because he likes it and then he goes on to say he just wants to be left alone.
You can’t take the stage at a Rammstein concert and expect to just chill out there without getting thrown out.
People can do whatever they want imo, go take that rammstein stage…just be realistic about what you’re gonna get as a result.
You feel like a woman and want to be one? Go ahead, i’d even date and or wife you if your personality is likeable i don’t care about your genitals and whatever makes you happy goes.
Understand that not everyone is going to agree with you, stay safe and be careful. Same goes for everyone else.
when the disagreement is about whether we should be allowed continue existing it’s a bit much to handwave like that, and fuck you very much for deigning to not only frame it like that but 'splain it to us like we’re children. get bent.
People keep saying this, but what is expected when a minute fraction of the population has such a high rate of being murdered? What is expected when without making any fuss, legislators are constantly trying to legislate trans people out of existence, refusing healthcare, increasing the already disproportionate suicide rate, forcing them to do things that puts them in situations where the chance of being murdered is much higher.
These sentiments come from such a place of privilege, “I don’t have this problem, why are you getting on stage to shout about this, you should expect to be discriminated against and murdered” if you don’t see anything wrong with that, you should reevaluate your morals.
Trans people, seriously, they just want to live their lives in peace. They’re not here to radicalise anything or to “trick” anyone. They just want to get on with their lives and be left alone.
the other replies to this comment reaaaally prove your point.
Are people really stupid enough to think that every single trans person is a loud screeching SJW?
Not to mention trans people are constantly under attack in most places and NEED to speak up.
Even if they were so what? You have to be cynical about these things and figure out how much danger every given person represents. I am in far less danger from someone who yells loudly on Instagram compared to some proud boy marching on the street. One makes the internet kinda boring the other sets off bombs.
It is a bit disingenuous to say they are just trying to live their lives in peace, they have chosen an antagonistic path by pushing to normalize the way gender is viewed in culture, which is an upset of the status quo, and that is radical by definition. it doesn’t matter what their motivations are for that to be true.
And they choose this path because LGBT folks have been getting bullied, assaulted and murdered for just existing for about as long as civilization has existed. If they don’t stand up for themselves nobody else is going to do it for them.
The key word is “trying” - most of them are trying to live their lives largely without bothering anyone - except that “anyone” is composed of a lot of people that can’t put up with their existence. Not through any fault of the person, just because of the way they are.
I do get what you’re saying. But it’s a half step away from deriding them for their very existence, which is disgusting. They are attempting to break the status quo in the same way the civil rights movement did.
My problem is I can’t not see transgender expression as mostly being a choice. What they do to deal with their dysphoria (which amounts to body image issues, I know how serious that can be) is a decision. The decision to just go for it and start presenting as the opposite gender is the most challenging one, by nature it’s destined to be radical and have the most pushback. It’s not their body image issues that tgey are derided for, it’s their action, not their existence
Do I think that is bad? No. It is a classic underdog story, there is everything to root for
Yet I cannot view it as being even close to the civil rights movement, where people just have the wrong skin color. It just isn’t the same.
If someone is born as a boy and later in life they just decide to go “fuck you, I’m a woman” that’s punk, you cannot expect everyone from all backgrounds to understand, it is a really confronting thing. It’s actually very metal. I don’t see how anyone can think it’s just everyday existence. It’s totally a cultural choice and not just them ‘existing’ like a black person during the civil rights movement.
Yeah, because trans people are renowned for having lots of say in the way the media and politics present them…
Pulling out the big paint brush today I see.
Trans people exist who who aren’t activists, but they are still part of a counterculture. It is very punk-coded. At some point in the past, punk people liked being seen as radicals.
It’s similar to veganism, they yell really loud to make it known they want peace while at the sime time disturbing everyone else and expecting friendliness.
It’s like that annoying neighbour that blasts music at full volume just because he likes it and then he goes on to say he just wants to be left alone.
You can’t take the stage at a Rammstein concert and expect to just chill out there without getting thrown out.
Have you ever actually met any trans people? Because they don’t do that thing you said
I’m trans, I hate talking about gender stuff
So yeah, they never did
fuck off transphobe
People can do whatever they want imo, go take that rammstein stage…just be realistic about what you’re gonna get as a result.
You feel like a woman and want to be one? Go ahead, i’d even date and or wife you if your personality is likeable i don’t care about your genitals and whatever makes you happy goes.
Understand that not everyone is going to agree with you, stay safe and be careful. Same goes for everyone else.
when the disagreement is about whether we should be allowed continue existing it’s a bit much to handwave like that, and fuck you very much for deigning to not only frame it like that but 'splain it to us like we’re children. get bent.
People keep saying this, but what is expected when a minute fraction of the population has such a high rate of being murdered? What is expected when without making any fuss, legislators are constantly trying to legislate trans people out of existence, refusing healthcare, increasing the already disproportionate suicide rate, forcing them to do things that puts them in situations where the chance of being murdered is much higher.
These sentiments come from such a place of privilege, “I don’t have this problem, why are you getting on stage to shout about this, you should expect to be discriminated against and murdered” if you don’t see anything wrong with that, you should reevaluate your morals.
This does not happen.
Even if it was, are you really shitting on trans people for complaining about constantly being hate-crimed for sport?