It doesn’t even misrepresent history. Socialism having been purposefully suppressed by some isn’t mutually exclusive with the sentiment of the quote.
The existence of the red scares doesn’t mean that the people that were influenced by them actually weren’t. Which is essentially your argument.
Since you want to be that anal and asinine about this, tell me, what qualifies as “taking root” in a society? Oh and I demand clear metrics based on the SI-system. How deep are the roots? How thick? What’s the strain?
Perhaps it’s hard for you to understand, but socialism is a political ideology and an economic system. Not a vascular plant.
It’s rare to see someone duck and dive as much as you are doing… but it takes all kinds, I guess.
It’s rare to see someone going “this you” (several times, I might add) without any elaboration whatsoever, and then trying to talk about “dodging” things.
Like why oh why would you ignore my question about what qualifies as “taking root”? Hmm? How exactly do you go about measuring that? (At this point you’ll realise you’re just a contrarian kid who doesn’t even possess the vocabulary to talk about the thing he’s challenging, but you’ll never admit it, even to yourself.)
How does one measure “taking root”? Oh I know, by actually seeing how far into the pot the roots have dug. So what precisely are the roots in a non-tangible political movement? Can’t answer? Because you know how silly it is?
Thirdly, your entire argument is “no, that’s not the reason socialism didn’t take off in America, the reason is that it was forcibly suppressed so everyone just gave up on it and there’s no-one deluding themselves that they’ll make it big one day and that’s why they should support policies that help the rich and be against proper welfare”.
Probably paraphrased poorly, so why don’t you specify your argument. You know, unless you’re a contrarian kid and literally have none. ;)
That’s because you are rarely gifted in the “can’t-see-the-bloody-obvious” department.
Like why oh why would you ignore my question about what qualifies as “taking root”?
Again… this you?
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
Who brought this piss-poor excuse of quote to a discussion about history? Me or you?
You want your quote to (somehow) not be fallacious? You describe what the term “take root” means - and do so in a way that (somehow) disqualifies the vast and well-documented history of socialist movements in US history.
so why don’t you specify your argument.
I’m not the one with the shit-take, Clyde - you are.
Is “this you” some sort of cro-magnon speak for “was this authored by you”?
Because I very clearly said in my first reply to you that it’s a well known quote from John Steinbeck? And you can find it plastered everywhere even if you google even just a part of the quote? You missed all that? You’re unaware of the quote?
Life must be hard when you don’t understand metaphors, huh? Or perhaps you do in fact understand it, but you’re now pretending not to, because it was pointed out how moronic it is of you to start criticising the “historical accuracy” of a fucking metaphor.
For someone who keeps going on about something being “fallacious” (you’re using the word wrong, I really hope this isn’t your first language haha), you sure seem to be dodging a lot of the questions asking you to describe what actually is “fallacious” about the quote (you mean “erroneous”, not “fallacious”, even though I’m sure you don’t understand the difference ahaha).
But try, please. I’d like to hear more about your take on the issue. So America uses “socialism” as a curse word because of the red scares, yeah? That’s why “socialism never took root”? So those people who are brainwashed to think they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires instead of part of the proletariat, they don’t actually think like that, because… socialism was forcefully suppressed?
Please, do enlighten me, since you still seem having trouble making an argument in the first place. :)
“Attempted to explain history”
So you think QUOTES are my personal theories?
It doesn’t even misrepresent history. Socialism having been purposefully suppressed by some isn’t mutually exclusive with the sentiment of the quote.
The existence of the red scares doesn’t mean that the people that were influenced by them actually weren’t. Which is essentially your argument.
Since you want to be that anal and asinine about this, tell me, what qualifies as “taking root” in a society? Oh and I demand clear metrics based on the SI-system. How deep are the roots? How thick? What’s the strain?
Perhaps it’s hard for you to understand, but socialism is a political ideology and an economic system. Not a vascular plant.
This you?
Looks pretty self-explanatory to me.
Again… this you?
It’s rare to see someone duck and dive as much as you are doing… but it takes all kinds, I guess.
It’s rare to see someone going “this you” (several times, I might add) without any elaboration whatsoever, and then trying to talk about “dodging” things.
Like why oh why would you ignore my question about what qualifies as “taking root”? Hmm? How exactly do you go about measuring that? (At this point you’ll realise you’re just a contrarian kid who doesn’t even possess the vocabulary to talk about the thing he’s challenging, but you’ll never admit it, even to yourself.)
How does one measure “taking root”? Oh I know, by actually seeing how far into the pot the roots have dug. So what precisely are the roots in a non-tangible political movement? Can’t answer? Because you know how silly it is?
Thirdly, your entire argument is “no, that’s not the reason socialism didn’t take off in America, the reason is that it was forcibly suppressed so everyone just gave up on it and there’s no-one deluding themselves that they’ll make it big one day and that’s why they should support policies that help the rich and be against proper welfare”.
Probably paraphrased poorly, so why don’t you specify your argument. You know, unless you’re a contrarian kid and literally have none. ;)
That’s because you are rarely gifted in the “can’t-see-the-bloody-obvious” department.
Again… this you?
Who brought this piss-poor excuse of quote to a discussion about history? Me or you?
You want your quote to (somehow) not be fallacious? You describe what the term “take root” means - and do so in a way that (somehow) disqualifies the vast and well-documented history of socialist movements in US history.
I’m not the one with the shit-take, Clyde - you are.
Is “this you” some sort of cro-magnon speak for “was this authored by you”?
Because I very clearly said in my first reply to you that it’s a well known quote from John Steinbeck? And you can find it plastered everywhere even if you google even just a part of the quote? You missed all that? You’re unaware of the quote?
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/328134-john-steinbeck-once-said-that-socialism-never-took-root-in
But… you think I missed the obvious? :D
Life must be hard when you don’t understand metaphors, huh? Or perhaps you do in fact understand it, but you’re now pretending not to, because it was pointed out how moronic it is of you to start criticising the “historical accuracy” of a fucking metaphor.
For someone who keeps going on about something being “fallacious” (you’re using the word wrong, I really hope this isn’t your first language haha), you sure seem to be dodging a lot of the questions asking you to describe what actually is “fallacious” about the quote (you mean “erroneous”, not “fallacious”, even though I’m sure you don’t understand the difference ahaha).
But try, please. I’d like to hear more about your take on the issue. So America uses “socialism” as a curse word because of the red scares, yeah? That’s why “socialism never took root”? So those people who are brainwashed to think they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires instead of part of the proletariat, they don’t actually think like that, because… socialism was forcefully suppressed?
Please, do enlighten me, since you still seem having trouble making an argument in the first place. :)
The idea is to snort your copium… not try to share it with all and sundry.
Your quote is shit. Get better ones.
Seems like you’re doing a bit of “ducking and diving”, there, feller.
Would you like to elaborate on what your argument is?
Which part of…
…are you having a hard time comprehending?