• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    Simply naming fallacies isn’t teaching. The point of learning fallacies isn’t so that you can just name them and feel like you’ve made a point.

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      21 hours ago

      I asked a question. I received a fallacy sandwich in return. There’s no point in investing further.

      Simply naming fallacies isn’t teaching.

      unsupported

      The point of learning fallacies isn’t so that you can just name them and feel like you’ve made a point.

      strawman

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        18 hours ago

        The point of teaching is sharing knowledge, not just poking holes in whatever argument you can (intentional hyperbole, not strawman)

        The point of learning fallacies isn’t so that you can just name them and feel like you’ve made a point.

        strawman

        Instead of just “strawman, therefore you’re wrong” and leaving it at that, how about you explain what was incorrect in that statement. That way you become more understood, and everyone understands you more.

        This isn’t a courtroom debate. This isn’t a debate you “win” or “lose”. This is a debate where everyone should be trying to understand each other, so that everyone ends up better off by the end. This sort of debate is a cooperative thing, not competitive.

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              8 hours ago

              That’s by far the best question I’ve been asked in this thread. However, satisfying your curiosity would require me to break a well-reasoned commitment I’ve already made to others.

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                8 hours ago

                I’m reminded of children in grade school who “I know what that means, I’m just not going to explain it to you.”

                Okay. You’re a lot of talking for someone who doesn’t want to say anything.

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                  7 hours ago

                  I’m reminded of children in grade school who “I know what that means, I’m just not going to explain it to you.”

                  Yes. In this endeavor you’re beginning to understand the means I’ve chosen for the majority.

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            18 hours ago

            A. I hate to do this, but

            The audience I wish to reach doesn’t need their hand held as a child

            Strawman, saying that this is about “leading people like they’re children” not “clear and effective communication as equals”

            B. What I’m talking about is proactively sharing your views, both to save time on questioning and to fill gaps that others would have never thought to ask about. Please, tell me why this isn’t a needed part of discussion.