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    9 months ago

    America is the least capitalist is has been probably in its history. Just because it was founded on something that was quite capitalistic doesnt mean it still is.

    Why not push for less regulations so that small business can thrive?

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        9 months ago

        And you keep encompassing more things in capitalism than belong. Why not push for less regulations so that small business can thrive?

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          I’m doing no such thing. Capitalist competition necessarily leads to monopolies because successful businesses grow and as they grow it takes increasingly more up front investment to compete with them. On top of it they can just undercut small businesses or buy them out. The game of monopoly is a perfect illustration of how capitalism works. Everybody starts on equal footing, and at the end of the game one players owns everything. That’s how capital concentration happens in real life under the capitalist dynamics.

          Meanwhile, the government represents the interests of the class that holds power in society and passes laws in their interest. Under capitalism it’s the capital owning class. These are the people who own the media, pay for election campaigns, lobbying, and so on. And it’s not just me saying this. Here’s what a study analyzing many decades of US policy concludes:

          https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

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            I dont like monopolies either, but what monopolies are causing you the most harm? Mine would be the governemnt monopoly.

            I think you have fundamental mistake in that you seem to believe that the economy is a zero sum game but its just not how it works. The only zero sum game that I am worried about is the control of our rights with the governmnet.

            What specifically is it that you want peoples lives to look like?

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              Government is not a monopoly the government is a management organization that resolves differences between capitalists. Meanwhile, if you can’t understand how capitalist monopolies cause harm then you’re beyond help. The whole climate crisis is caused by capitalist monopolies, just one example for you.

              I think you have fundamental mistake in that you seem to believe that the economy is a zero sum game but its just not how it works. The only zero sum game that I am worried about is the control of our rights with the governmnet.

              That literally has nothing to do with what I said which is that the economy works in the interest of the people who own capital, and these are the same people the government represents. You don’t even understand what the government is apparently.

              What specifically is it that you want peoples lives to look like?

              I want people to own the means of production. I want all businesses to be run as a mix of state owned enterprise and worker owned cooperatives. The state enterprise is good at providing common things everyone needs like healthcare, infrastructure, housing, and so on. These are things that need to be done regardless of profit motive. Meanwhile, private sector that’s owned by the workers is great at providing all the things where profit motive acts as a motivator. This isn’t rocket science.

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                How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly? Its literally the only true monopoly and its on our rights and force.

                When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.

                Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer? When you say “Nu-uh”, answer this question, for the people that work a lot of hours and work hard, what is the reason to continue to go above and beyond when our labor is being taken and given to others?

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                  How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly?

                  Please learn what words government and monopoly mean before attempting to use them in sentence.

                  When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.

                  Imagine still believing in trickle down economics. 😂

                  Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer?

                  Workers retaining the profits of their labor makes them more poor is the dumbest take I’ve seen in a while. Maybe spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of trolling online.

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                    No one believes in trickle down economics nor did they ever, it was literally propaganda term. Please explain to me why I would have worked so many hours or so hard if I didnt get the benefit of my labor? Simple question that you will not be able to answer because its why your ideal system never ever ever works.

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      Less regulation is usually bad for small business. Rules against monopolistic / anti-competitive behaviour protect them from bigger rivals.

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        Regulation have nothing to do with monopolies, typically. Most regulations just make it harder for small business to do things so it benefits the big businesses.

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          A regulation that places a flat overhead or expense does create a disadvantage for a smaller business. But considering that the smaller business would have been bought up / bullied out in the absence of regulations, it is usually a small price to pay.

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            More regulation is more paperwork more expenses and more permissions/licenses, it definitely harms small business much much more. I can tell you this as a small business owner whos biggest issue is dealing with government regulations.

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              Well, without those regulations to protect you you wouldn’t be a small business owner, so I guess they wouldn’t be your biggest issue any more!

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                By saying what you said, you have no idea what the regulations that small businesses are facing. If you dont know about a thing, just ask so you can learn and not spout off about how doing extra stuff protects me.

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                  I have no doubt the regulations are painful. And I’m sure at least a few of them are unnecessary or even useless rules laid down a hundred years ago and never repealed. By all means, push for reforms. But rules and regulations, as a class, are protecting you both from criminals and from larger competitors. Don’t cut the tree you are sitting on.

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                    Sorry man but you have a fundemental lack of knowledge here. I am not sure what you gleaned this from, or who told you this, but this is just factually incorrect.