Again, your only recourse is “Trump did it too” that’s what I’m saying, jesus fucking christ. They’re not staving off fascism, they’re taking turns ramping it up in different places. When it comes to migrants and foreigners, their policies are the same; sometimes they change tactics or optics, but the end goal remains unchanged. You’re hammering home the same point while saying it proves that democrats are much better. No they fucking ain’t.
it was not due to a more hostile border policy, but rather an increase in the number of people actually showing up at the border in the first place.
So… it’s okay because he was doing what Trump was doing, but a little less per migrant? There is, then, an acceptable rate of people in concentration camps, Trump was just a bit too loose with it.
I don’t give a single shit if they’re 10% worse for gringos, they’re just as bad and in a lot of ways much worse for the rest of the world. It was Biden who pushed the doomsday clock closest to midnight than it’d been since the cuban missile crisis. It was Obama who ramped up the drone bombing campaign, it was Clinton who ordered Gaddafi killed, it was Biden who drafted the 90s crime bill that made the US the most incarcerated population in the entire world.
Matter of fact, whenever something got incredibly shitty for US citizens, you can flip a coin on whether it was Reagan who did it or Jim Crow Joe.
I make an extraordinarily clear point that Trump is just doing the same type of thing, but substantially worse. I’m not saying “Trump did it too,” I’m saying “Trump did it even worse.” If I want to reduce the overall harm in a situation, I don’t get that by calling every option identical when some are less bad than others.
When it comes to migrants and foreigners, their policies are the same
I don’t recall Democrats deporting people to foreign countries like El Salvador without due process while also completely ending the legal asylum seeking processes in this country.
So… it’s okay because he was doing what Trump was doing, but a little less per migrant?
It seems like you missed the part where I explicitly said it wasn’t okay, and that it was simply less bad than what Trump is doing. Read my words instead of assuming my opinions.
It was Biden who pushed the doomsday clock closest to midnight than it’d been since the cuban missile crisis. It was Obama who ramped up the drone bombing campaign, it was Clinton who ordered Gaddafi killed, it was Biden who drafted the 90s crime bill that made the US the most incarcerated population in the entire world.
Just listing off the bad things Democrats have done without mentioning a single bad thing Trump has done in order to justify your moronic both sides argument is ridiculous.
I don’t know how many fucking times I’ll have to say this. The Democrats are obviously shitty, but that doesn’t mean that the substantially worse party is identical.
You can’t separate your own emotions against the Democrats from the reality that the Republicans are just the Democrats but even worse, so you resort to saying they’re both the same, then provide no sensible solutions other than “the world should be this way… somehow.”
If you want to do good shit in this world, don’t make it easier for the worst of the two parties to get in power by claiming they’re the same as the lesser evil.
If you have two people, one dropping 500 bombs on innocent people, and one dropping 1,000 bombs on innocent people, but both of them could have dropped more, and the one dropping 1,000 says he wants to drop 1,500, then if my goal is to stop the bombs being dropped on people, I don’t go “both sides are the same because they’re both bombing people,” I go “I should do my best to ensure that the one dropping 1,000 bombs is the least likely to stay in power so that I can attempt to convince the people only dropping 500 bombs to drop less.”
Does it mean that the one dropping 500 bombs is a good person? Of course fucking not. Does it mean I support them as an individual? Of course not. But if my goal is to stop people being bombed, I’m going to prefer the people already dropping the least bombs, because they’ll be the most easily convinced/forced to change.
I’m tired of arguing with people who don’t seem to be capable of understanding any level of fucking nuance, so I’ll be ending this conversation here. Feel free to argue to the void if you’d like.
Again, your only recourse is “Trump did it too” that’s what I’m saying, jesus fucking christ. They’re not staving off fascism, they’re taking turns ramping it up in different places. When it comes to migrants and foreigners, their policies are the same; sometimes they change tactics or optics, but the end goal remains unchanged. You’re hammering home the same point while saying it proves that democrats are much better. No they fucking ain’t.
So… it’s okay because he was doing what Trump was doing, but a little less per migrant? There is, then, an acceptable rate of people in concentration camps, Trump was just a bit too loose with it.
I don’t give a single shit if they’re 10% worse for gringos, they’re just as bad and in a lot of ways much worse for the rest of the world. It was Biden who pushed the doomsday clock closest to midnight than it’d been since the cuban missile crisis. It was Obama who ramped up the drone bombing campaign, it was Clinton who ordered Gaddafi killed, it was Biden who drafted the 90s crime bill that made the US the most incarcerated population in the entire world.
Matter of fact, whenever something got incredibly shitty for US citizens, you can flip a coin on whether it was Reagan who did it or Jim Crow Joe.
I make an extraordinarily clear point that Trump is just doing the same type of thing, but substantially worse. I’m not saying “Trump did it too,” I’m saying “Trump did it even worse.” If I want to reduce the overall harm in a situation, I don’t get that by calling every option identical when some are less bad than others.
I don’t recall Democrats deporting people to foreign countries like El Salvador without due process while also completely ending the legal asylum seeking processes in this country.
It seems like you missed the part where I explicitly said it wasn’t okay, and that it was simply less bad than what Trump is doing. Read my words instead of assuming my opinions.
Just listing off the bad things Democrats have done without mentioning a single bad thing Trump has done in order to justify your moronic both sides argument is ridiculous.
I don’t know how many fucking times I’ll have to say this. The Democrats are obviously shitty, but that doesn’t mean that the substantially worse party is identical.
You can’t separate your own emotions against the Democrats from the reality that the Republicans are just the Democrats but even worse, so you resort to saying they’re both the same, then provide no sensible solutions other than “the world should be this way… somehow.”
If you want to do good shit in this world, don’t make it easier for the worst of the two parties to get in power by claiming they’re the same as the lesser evil.
If you have two people, one dropping 500 bombs on innocent people, and one dropping 1,000 bombs on innocent people, but both of them could have dropped more, and the one dropping 1,000 says he wants to drop 1,500, then if my goal is to stop the bombs being dropped on people, I don’t go “both sides are the same because they’re both bombing people,” I go “I should do my best to ensure that the one dropping 1,000 bombs is the least likely to stay in power so that I can attempt to convince the people only dropping 500 bombs to drop less.”
Does it mean that the one dropping 500 bombs is a good person? Of course fucking not. Does it mean I support them as an individual? Of course not. But if my goal is to stop people being bombed, I’m going to prefer the people already dropping the least bombs, because they’ll be the most easily convinced/forced to change.
I’m tired of arguing with people who don’t seem to be capable of understanding any level of fucking nuance, so I’ll be ending this conversation here. Feel free to argue to the void if you’d like.