You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of “not doing a genocide” don’t know anything about getting elected and getting things done
*loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*
DAMN YOU PUTIN!
You gotta understand, we only had three months to distance ourselves from Biden but also didn’t want to. It was the only way to make sure the donors were happy. You understand right? Stop blaming us for taking no positions and blame yourself for demanding us to take a position to secure your vote. It was a completely unreasonable ask and you knew it!
What next, you’ll demand to be able to afford rent AND food on the average wage? Pick one and be grateful
One? Look at Rockefeller over here.
No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.
Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.
Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
Yes, that’s the idea. No centrist wants to stop the genocide. It’s not like it’s something centrists do want to stop, like raising the minimum wage or universal healthcare or cannabis legalization or anything they run on.
Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.
If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.
Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don’t want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.
The were too small a demographic to listen to, but they were so influential that they’re responsible for trump.
Sounds like they’re kingmakers and maybe they should have been treated accordingly. But that will require belatedly abandoning support for genocide, so centrists never will.
Be glad those third parties exist. Those people would have spite voted for Trump instead, not for Harris.
At least they’d be forced to own their complicity instead of hiding behind a pointless action.
At the moment of voting there was only one choice which had been complicit in genocide up to that point.
Are you for real?
Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”
Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris’ support of genocide.
I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.
Do you think she would’ve upgraded the 5-ton bombs to 10-ton bombs, and provided bulldozers to turn the West Bank into a billionaire resort too?
According to recent reports stating that Biden never applied any pressure to israel, and considering she never made herself different than him on israel, I have no doubt if they asked she would have.
If you never said that harris shouldn’t be supporting genocide, you never encountered it.
What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election
Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.
A Democrat or a Republican. Welcome to the United States. Select one of the two or one will be selected for you.
*Select one and one will be selected for you anyway
It’s that type of flawless, disengaging thought that brought you the Trump administration. Twice. Maybe try something different to get the 90M eligible voters to show up?
Shocking idea but I do not give a shit about the Democrats, maybe they should be trying to appeal to voters rather than the other way around? Oh wait, they cant because as the saying goes your vote doesn’t matter unless you buy it in advance.
Nor do I. I did give a shit about preventing the election of a fascist dictator. Apparently that was not as important to you.
“It’s the voters vault we ran a terrible right wing candidate.”
Democrats moved too far to the right.
The right didn’t buy it but the left did. Progressives and leftists tried to warn you but the party did what it wanted anyway, secure in the knowledge that they had plenty of people who will blame the voters if that’s what it takes to never listen to them.
EDIT: typo
Liberals: but what if we compromised, how about only some genocide? What if Israel only tortured half as many babies? What if Israel only illegally annexed half of the West Bank instead of their current plan to annex the entire thing? What if people were able to afford 50% of rent and 50% of all bills? What if we only cut Medicare and Medicaid by 50%?
Don’t be silly, liberals aren’t offering to spare half the Palestinians, there offering “killing all of them, but with a troubled expression on our face.”
Or kill half of them and then, as a compromise, only kill half of the ones who are left (repeat until total remaining Palestinians is less than 1)
The recursive two state solution
What if Netanyahu put pronouns in bio?
I think a lot of people are neglecting to think of Biden’s lifetime record in public office. The United States is the nation on Earth with the greatest proportion of its own citizens imprisoned and we have Biden’s 1994 crime bill in large part to thank for that. Unfortunately it wasn’t terribly shocking when he went on to be more supportive of the Palestinian genocide than any other president in US history other than Trump.
They’re not neglecting it, they’re purposefully ignoring it. People will tag (correctly, mind you) Reagan, Nixon, and Dubya as the issue of modern America, but if you bring up the voting/writing record of the most recent Blue Guy, somehow its not their fault, people are allowed to change, people can learn better, etc. etc.
Libs stop thinking in electoralist terms challenge [back-breakingly toilsome]
Democrat politicians abandoned you decades ago and don’t have your interest in mind, please please PLEASE stop defending them/putting your hopes on them (and the electoral Kabuki theater in general) and do something about your situation yourselves. Organize, build community, help people in need, use your privilege where it matters.
It’s too late for elections, even more if that’s the one and only thing you’re willing to do politically. You might “win” a presidential term for a democrat president next time but the damage is already done and everything is rotting around you.
All this dumb bickering about “voting for the lesser evil” is incredibly frustrating for people from countries who endured dictatorships. So if anything, listen to them and act before it’s too late.
Nooooo guys!!! Biden genocide was better than Trump genocide! 😡😡 You don’t understand, he said he was trying not bomb children!!! 😢
I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.
Neither should happen but since i don’t get that choice, I choose the option that saves millions of lives.
Not to mention the US is now party to the Ukraine genocide too.
not to mention the real threat to foreign born citizens and LGBTQ people in the United States itself.
So yes Biden is better even if we are dealing with shades of black
This is also false. Biden drastically upped the military aid to Israel after Trump left office.
The US democrats are a vicious, genocidal party.
We need a party that is actually anti-oppression and doesn’t just pay it lip service.
he isn’t even lip service, never once has he acknowldged there being a genocide in Gaza
Its also one we have a better chance to influence. What serious organization for progressives is there?
You had a zero percent chance of influencing the Democrats, as evidenced by over a year of complete failure to do so. So no, you didn’t have a better chance to influence them
What serious organization for progressives is there?
If you don’t have an answer for this you are just trolling and not serious about any matter.
You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.
But that makes sense, given that you admitted to being a troll.
You can’t answer it either, lol, that’s why you’ve been reduced to pretending you can influence the Dems when you’ve conclusively demonstrated that you can’t.
I did answer it and you are making fun of my answer right there. Fair enough, but I have asked you what your ideas are, and all you can say is to twiddle your thumbs.
Voting dem and making it more progressive is an actionable item. What is your alternative that is so much better?
Democrats are retaliating against David Hogg as a direct result of his serious organization to primary shitlibs.
Its also one we have a better chance to influence.
Lol. LMAO, even. We can’t get them to lift a finger against fascism, dude
Lol. LMAO, even. We can’t get them to lift a finger against fascism, dude
what chances do we have with Trump then?
So far Trump has proven easier to influence against Israel just because of how petty he is.
It’s okay, we got it. You supported genocide and now you are trying to justify it so you can sleep at night.
The only true unserious people here are those who defend a genocidal monster even when the monster literally confessed to be one.
Have a shower.
Its also one we have a better chance to influence.
What fucking garbage. democrats only listen to republicans and netanyahu.
I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.
And which numbers are those? Oh, you meant vibes.
Okay, but then if we point our finger at your face and call you a genocide supporter, you shut up and take it right?! Right?
no i wouldn’t because i don’t support it and your inability to see shades of gray will paint darker and darker paths
When people start talking about “shades of gray” with regards to genocide, they 100% support genocide
and your abstinence vote 200% supports genocide, you not only gave your vote away to trump, but you actively sabotaged the dems chances
You have no idea how I voted, or if I live in a swing state, or if I’m even eligible to vote, so shut your presumptuous mouth. More to the point, only a BlueMaga lunatic could try to claim that not voting for genocide supports genocide twice as much as voting for genocide. Like, you don’t actually believe in anything, not even the meaning of words; you’ll just say whatever you can to confuse and antagonize.
I refuse to believe these people are real and in good faith. One of the two thing must be wrong. You can not be this stupid.
You have no idea how I voted, or if I live in a swing state, or if I’m even eligible to vote, so shut your presumptuous mouth.
centrists don’t care how you vote. If you’re to their left on the only issue any of them care about, everything is your fault.
‘I don’t support it but I directly cast my vote for the people responsible’.
Ahahah sure brother sure. Keep saying this to yourself.
You did not have to preface it with pretending to save anyone. You simply care only about yourself and you do not care about anyone else.
As an immigrant, I’ll say this as politely as I can: fuck you. I really wish skidmarks like you would stop trying to risk my life to gain brownie points with their tankie friends.
Wtf are you so pissed about? Did Castro free your slaves? Did Mao break up your egg monopoly? Did Stalin kill your ss grandfather?
What the actual fuck ? Unhinged
❌ Please try again
Except now Trump is starting to play hardball with Netanyahu, and is distinctly unhappy with the the U.S. taking so much flak while being treated as a money fountain.
There is a much more real world where Trump gets sick of Bibi and pulls his support than Harris pulling support from Israel. A fully isolationist U.S. is better for Palestine.
Imagine portraying trump as anything but dementiaed. You know he posts a about razing all of gaza to the ground to build a resort, right?
this is just right wing trolling at this point
I know I’ll get downvoted for this, and to be clear, all of our governments supporting this genocide are absolute bullshit and capitalism is bullshit.
However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country and take away the rights of people in your own country to such an extent that they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere because they’re too worried trying to find healthcare and not get deported, killed, or permanently detained.
If you were going to not vote in order to take down the system, then show up and take down the god damn fucking system.
However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country
When a normal, moral person discover that a country is hellbent on genocide, they would think that destroying that country is a good thing.
take away the rights of people in your own country
The genocide in the colonies must continue for the benefit of the people in the capital.
they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere
So you were worrying before? Certainly didn’t accomplish anything.
Thank you, no need for me to add anything
you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country
If both parties are doing a genocide right now, how can you argue this is a bad thing?
From a global perspective, the U.S. empire can’t end soon enough. It’ll even be good for the U.S. if we manage to take all that money reserved for worldwide slaughter and build houses and pay for education with it. Unfortunately, none of that appears likely to happen unless the empire crashes and burns first. Whether we can make something better out of that is another question.
Let me give you this dilemma, given the imperial nature of the US and that you need an overhaul of the system, isn’t trump the perfect candidate to vote to do just that?
“I’ll get downvoted for this but…” Says the most valid take everNevermind
The valid take of “yes the people I support are committing the worst acts imaginable to mankind, but I stand to personally benefit, so it’s actually good to support them.”
You made me think I supported someone who was against Palestine, he literally does not say that, you only infer that just because he isn’t fully anti-democrat and is using the ‘lesser evil’ arguementOh the thinks Palestine/Hamas will destroy Israel nevermind
Where the fuck did I say Palestine would destroy Israel?
I am 100% pro-Palestine, I just genuinely do not understand how voting someone in who has exponentially sped up the genocide and sped up the suffering of brown, queer people and women, in his own country is somehow the more moral choice in all of this. It doesn’t make any fucking sense to me.
Watch out, you’re going to upset the folks at lemmy.world
And the german feddit
Feddit already permabanned me for calling the German government Nazis a few weeks ago so their precious eyes are protected from seeing this meme.
The ‘good german’ feddit.
.world is upset anytime someone lightly criticizes their favorite politicans, we can ignore them.
I won’t excuse genocide. And apparently I’m the devil because of it.
If someone can excuse genocide that’s a personal failing they should see to.
Every liberal would be cheering and partying in the streets if Trump got stage 4 cancer.
Then they turn around and say “Wow you’re so uncivil for cheering for the guy who has aided in a genocide, helped make COVID a permanent issue, ignored kids in cages, and made Trump run again.”
Do they just not see all the issues with their favorite candidates or are they just unable to witness their own doublethink?
Blue MAGA is not a saying born lightly. These people are truly incapable of seeing their own party for the monters they are.
And then when you call them out, you’re calling being a useful idiot for having a braincell that wasn’t fed propaganda for a doupoly.
Every time someone says “Blue MAGA isn’t a thing” I just roll my eyes and recall every time I was right about the DNC failing to protect the democracy they claim to support, and got downvoted, banned, flamed, censored, etc.
Remember when they got mad after Trump said “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters”? They said it was cult-like behavior by his followers.
But when Biden bombs children, or backs a genocide, it’s somehow not cult-like behavior to keep supporting him.
Murder is bad when its the other guys, our murder is just the way things are, nothing can be done to prevent it.
Putting a finer point on it, they would be ecstatic if it were Sanders.
If Sanders keeled over, .world would be smugly saying “Aren’t we glad he didn’t have a chance at winning? He would have turned Murica into a socialist commie hellhole!”
I got plenty of downvotes for not having sympathy for biden the other day
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its so funny seeing all the libs seething that many people think biden got what he had coming if not got off extremely easily considering the evil shit he’s done. they dont see the evil tho. they just see that he’s a democrat so surely that must mean he’s good.
when brandon dies the universe will be righting a wrong. fuck him. no sympathy or empathy for him or his fucked up family who have neither for any of us or our families or especially those in palestine or otherwise exploited oppressed nations
I was kind of surprised they are batting this hard for Genocide Joe when he already lost them the election. You’d think that after Biden screwed their winning chances they would have slightly more disdain for him.
Not because of the genocide of course, they don’t care about that because it doesn’t affect them.
They will die on this hill, they don’t have the balls to face the reality that the US is a genocidal nation.
This is because the DNC doesn’t actually want to win, that’s why they ran him in the first place, but frustratingly failed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2020
They see Biden like he’s their dying racist grandpa
Buuut it’s your guy’s fault, if only you’d have voted for the less evil of the two evil guys we’d have a waaaay less evil guy doing less evil guy shit and being waaaay less evil-y obvious about their evil shit. Don’t you see? You made it obvious that the evil guy is an evil guy, instead of the less evil of the evil guys, damnit!!!
Genocide is an antiseptic term for a very nasty thing.
I think gloating about cancer is gross.
I also think using cancer as an excuse for hagiography of a man who knowingly sold weapons for an ongoing genocide is gross.
I’ve already run into this today and been accused of alienating “Palestine supporters” for suggesting that Joe Biden deserves a bomb dropped on his head.
Fucking civility perverts…
I’d imagine if one genuinely cares about stopping the genocide they’d be exactly as civil as they’d strategically need to be.
If your excitement in the cancer diagnosis of a old man is more important to you I get why people are weirded out.
Whilst you are bending over to be polite to people, they are responsible for a genocide. But yes, go you for your brave stance with being civil.
they are responsible for a genocide
So then shouldn’t we do everything strategically possible to oppose the genocide?
Why is “we should adopt the best strategy possible to stop genocide” so offensive to you?
Sorry, but you are suggesting that the best strategy possible to stop the genocide is to be nice to the person committing the genocide. Can you explain to me how that helps stop the genocide because I’m clearly to dense to grasp it.
Maybe you could point to some recent examples where genocides were stopped by being really nice to the perpetrators.
Sorry, but you are suggesting that the best strategy possible to stop the genocide is to be nice to the person committing the genocide
No, I suggested we adopt the best strategy regardless of what it is.
You said that even if the best strategy possible is to be nice, you wouldn’t consider doing do.
Was being nice to Biden the best strategy do you think? Is being nice to Trump the best strategy?
The best strategy starts with you personally being shoved into a locker for other’s amusement
Can you explain to me how that helps stop the genocide because I’m clearly to dense to grasp it.
It’s extremely in character for a blueMaga lib to respond to that question by linking to a youtube clip from a comedy show.
still more serious then you
The strategically needed civility is zero
Civility is oppression
I wish you luck in the war on manners.
“Manners” are rituals to designed cast out anyone who is “different”
Its disguised ableism
I’m sure you’ll be as magnanimous when Trump dies.
I’m sure as well. I don’t want the guy to die, I want him to stop doing harm.
If death is how that happens I could take that. If death isn’t necessary I’d prefer it.
Ideally we could try people who commit war crimes publicly.
Well good luck trying to persuade people not to celebrate his death in the spaces that are currently banning you for celebrating Biden’s.
I’m not going to be trying to persuade anyone about culture war bullshit that doesn’t matter.
The original guy was talking about strategy. Is there a strategic reason to try to persuade those people not to celebrate Trump’s death?
There’s been so many blue maga types popping up since the news came out and it’s hella annoying. For an entire day on bluesky you couldn’t go anywhere without seeing some ex Facebook boomer blue maga type glazing genocide joe. God forbid you said anything against him and you got absolutely dog piled and scolded by people who were one wrong turn away from being Trumps strongest soldier.
