Nintendo is more focused on closing down stuoos they don’t own, for the audacity of having similar generic ideas pulled from the real world in their games.
This is some weird virtue signalling considering all the other things Nintendo does.
Sometimes there is an option for a company or people to so good things with good intentions, good things with bad intentions, bad things with good intentions and just plain bad shit.
Not everything Nintendo does is bad nor is it good. But when doing a good thing, it can be just that. A good thing.
Yes, their community management sucks. Their trigger happiness with anything legal is awful. But they can do also do good things.
Life is not black and white.
Their other good thing in my eyes is not overextending.
They have been profitable for a long time, and built up a reserve. Shitty CEOs would demand they use those reserves to branch out into a VR division. Make a room-sized toy, a massively online Second Life space, a chain of theme parks. Anything to show they’re hiring, growing, and that the ROI will triple every few years.
Obviously, had they done any of that, they’d be doing a lot more firing now because they’d have no reserves once all those plans go belly up.
So, it’s likely helpful their culture is quartered in Japan where the long term health of the company is treasured and short term gains are not worshipped so much.
TBF, even if they’re a shit company to their consumers it’s kind of funny for them to point out they still make boatloads of money while keeping employees since it makes others look bad.
“Efficiency” is smoke-blowing bull for the sake of putting a few more pennies in shareholder stocks. Stable profits are far more sustainable and better for the real economy (where real people spend real money) than infinite growth since having a regular paycheck allows people to continue buying things.
Nintendo are horrible to consumers but at least they understand the value of their staff. That’s something I value more from a company. (depending on the extent of their anti-consumer practices, nintendo have definetly gone too far with their’s)
Don’t the Japanese have to stab themselves in the liver with a sword if they resign from one of their soul crushing 18 hour a day office jobs?
You’ve fallen victim to propaganda, my friend.
It’s only mandatory if they survive the fall…
Afail: It’s not easy to get out of a job due to it being a bad reflection on you/company.
So whoever can be blamed, will be blamed.
Nobody cares nintendo, you’re still an asshole.
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I’m pretty sure the Switch 1 is older than 4 years (and was cheaper than $500). And their games are actually quite good.
So Nintendo might be a fuckwad company, but your comment is still full of bullshit.
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Using years and hundreds of dollars is not min/maxing precision. That’s a stupid excuse for something you should own up because your made up numbers detract from your point. If the numbers don’t matter then this shouldn’t make your argument look ridiculous.
Nintendo, the company that makes gamers pay them $5000 for a new console every year, and then $800 for a new skin of the exact same game every month, and calls it innovations and consumer friendliness.
You can’t just make up numbers and expect to have reasonable argument. By making up numbers you’re just opening yourself up to criticism (which it seems you can’t take) even if the actual point you’re making is right.
Here’s the thing. You’re not arguing against their point you’re arguing about the specific figures not being entirely accurate.
Watching you two go feral over specificity doesn’t convince anyone of anything, it just makes people hostile to talking to you because now they feel they have to hedge everything, because if not you’ll reply with
“You’re*”
And ignore the whole argument they made. Nobody wants to engage with that level of nitpicking pedantry.
Being right isn’t always worth it, because you put the other person in defense mode, show you don’t care about the spirit of the argument as much as the letter, and essentially insult the person in the process.
You’re right, you’re just shit at conversational strategy. Enjoy the fights. That’s all you’re having.
When the point is that the Nintendo company charges gamers too much money, the accuracy of the amount of money being charged is relevant, no?
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I understood your point because we’re on the same side and I took a generous interpretation of what you said. Now that I’ve taken a really critical look I have no fucking idea what you were trying to say because the numbers make no sense.
If I correct your 500 and 4 years, your statement becomes “Nintendo sold their consoles at industry pricie for the average console lifecycle”. Oh the horror, Nintendo does what every other console seller does. And the part about selling a reskinned game at full price every 2 years? If I’m being generous I’d say you’re talking about BOTW and TOTK. But that’s not 2 years and it’s not a reskin and your argument implies multiple games but I can barely come up with one.
Your entire comment could’ve been only the second part and it would’ve been just as informative as what you actually wrote. That’s how worthless your fucked up numbers have made the point.
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You’re also not having a random conversation on the street, this information is just a quick search away. By making up numbers and creating a bigger issue when existing issues are already strong enough of an argument, you hurt your own credibility and attacking people for pointing that out is even worse.
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Your numbers are so far off as to be meaningless. If the real numbers are half that, and you compare to their competitors, then it’s an entirely different story. The numbers you provide are completely integral to your argument, and your numbers being so wrong means you’re just complaining about nothing.
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i HATE nintendo, they literally FORCE GAMERS to pay $500,000,000,000,000 dollars for a NEW CONSOLE every month, and then they have the audacity to RELEASE VIDEOGAMES which cost $100,00,000,000 ultra dollars without any care for innovation. just last week they released donkey kong bananza which is a clear RESKIN of far cry 4
nintendon’t *wheeze* is a stupid ass company, GAMERS are just GASLIGHT because they enjoy things
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Please do not seriously reply to this. It’s 2am and I think I’m going insane.
i sentence this user to 25 circuits of intermission tracks in mario kart world
nooooooooooooo
… Or look up the lifecyle of most of their products. The support is a whole lot longer than four years.
They have no micro transactions and the games are finished when released. Yes, they have their bad side too. So does Sony and Microsoft. There are no good guys in business. Just less bad.
But the beauty is, vote with your wallet. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it
Japanese corporations overwork people to literal death, but at least you’re not going to be laid off 2 months into a new job. Not as big of a flex as they think it is
Worker protections and their enforcement have improved in recent years, but things still aren’t fully there yet. That said, the whole karoshi thing is getting less and less, which is good. The problem now is less in the big corps and more in the smaller businesses since they end up having less oversight. My company even requires I record hours at my other job (my own company) and submit them to make sure they and I are not in violation of labor law for hours worked.
Worker protections and their enforcement have improved in recent years, but things still aren’t fully there yet.
You’d think they’d have fixed it faster, since it’s the primary factor in why so few Japanese people are having kids
I don’t know that it is the primary factor, honestly. Jobs keep moving to places like Tokyo where daycare has a lottery system and is super expensive if one doesn’t get into the free one. Add to that that, since corona and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, prices for a lot of things have gone up leading to a cost of living crisis. for many as wages stay stagnant.
Indeed, there was an election yesterday and these were some things that were being mentioned by politicians in the lead-up. In Tokyo, it looks like they are trying to make daycare and school tuition free, which would be a big help. Several schools have even had trouble properly providing meals lately because of the sudden rising costs of food (fees for school are paid at the beginning of the school year so schools have to budget for higher prices and will have worse meals at the beginning to avoid having money for none at the end). Even the far-right anti-foreigner party ran on some kind of payments for kids. Another party talked about getting things less centralized in Tokyo and trying to spread the population out or at least support hose that remain in the countryside.
As for why it wasn’t faster, rules have been on the books forever, but people and culture make it different. People feel huge pressure not to make waves so they will clock out and continue working. The more recent legislation has actually addressed this and put some responsibility on the worker themself in my understand, which may help. Corona also showed people what could be and many were angry when forced to go back to the old status quo (and one can see comments about people’s manners and patience on the train and other places getting worse in the time since). There’s also what is called “power harassment” and the like and lots of old, entitled fuckheads in positions of power at companies who think they are untouchable and, thankfully, are slowly going away.
You will never be laid off at a Japanese company.
They will just unassign you from tasks or reassign you to a boring menial task to make you resign.
That way they don’t pay you severence and they pay way less for your unemployment insurance.
They won’t put your name in the credits
I don’t know when we decided that games should have credits but other software doesn’t.
I don’t see credits for business software. When you shut down Linux it doesn’t go “A Linus Torvalds OS. Written by Linus Torvalds”
Why are they even there? Is it a union thing, like with movies? Did they just need more than “Congratulations, you have finished the game” at the end? Who even reads them? Nobody needs to know who provided the catering at the translation company they outsourced to.
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Because games are art. Creative industries do credits.
Lots of software has credits, historically they were often hidden in Easter eggs. Small software still often credits their creators e.g. in the Help>about menu item.
But games are different, they are primarily an artistic pursuit.
Software for desktops sometimes have credits of the people who made it.
Games are entertainment. I wouldn’t argue that MS Office is entertainment.
its hard to put a project on your resume with no evidence
The rest of us do it all the time.
That’s pretty nice. When everyone is laying off people by thousands, it’s nice to see a company that provides stability to it’s employees.
They of course aren’t the only one, kudos to all such companies!
Microsoft: Fuck you, you piece of shit. I’m firing every one of you motherfuckers so I can buy another 30 Ferrari’s.
Nintendo: We are not going to do that.
Lemmy: Fuck you, Nintendo!
You guys need to learn to take W’s where you can get them. It’s exhausting not being able to enjoy good news because you’re always angry about something.
Microsoft: Fuck you, you piece of shit. I’m firing every one of you motherfuckers so I can buy another 30 Ferrari’s.
Nintendo: We are not going to do that.
Lemmy: –
Lemmy: points PocketPair
microsoft: we just fired entire studios that we bought recently. we are building a master collection of IPs to do nothing with other than passively profit off of them forever using game pass. part of this master plan is to cause large instability in the video game industry through aforementioned mass layoffs. also we are quite literally helping a genocide.
lemmy: oh. that’s kinda shitty but I liked oblivion remastered :)
nintendo: we made our game 80$
lemmy: if anyone even thinks about liking some of your stuff they should be burned at the stake.
<srs> obviously im exaggerating to make a point, and no if you ask I don’t like nintendo. fuck them. but I think the reaction here is a bit disproportionate. a company could do all the evil in the world but as long as they don’t touch the sacrosanct consumer, it’s all good in the eyes of a gamer! </srs>
No
No what?
No to taking Was. This ain’t one
No to was? Do you even English?
Fuck both? but Microsoft harder?
So, a threesome then?
(Jokes aside, nobody in this thread is even talking about Microsoft. It’s all directed at Nintendo. What the hell is up with that?)
Title:
Nintendo touts high employee retention rate after loss of Microsoft jobs rocks Xbox Game Studios
Your 1st comment:
Microsoft: Fuck you, you piece of shit. I’m firing every one of you motherfuckers so I can buy another 30 Ferrari’s.
Obviously I wasn’t including myself in that statement.
That’s because Nintendo don’t run a studio. It’s a prison, where developers are protected from progress made by the outside world.
This is the only explanation for their online offerings.
