Looks like he’s just doing the shit that the US government already should have been doing based on existing programs that were actively mismanaged in the past. Promises not kept through administrative technicalities.
Not a bad thing, but a far cry from the political win it is touted as. Essentially, “we are no longer actively trying to fuck over people who applied to old debt-relief programs.” Weighing this against the predatory nature of student loan policy in the US, the unforgiving bankruptcy policies Biden directly helped put in place over a decade ago, and his failure to achieve the two student loan relief efforts he promised (or publicly campaigned on if you want to get pedantic), I’d say that the progress made is wholely insufficient.
We can simultaneously recognize that there has been an improvement while also recognizing that it has not been enough and these politicians must be held accountable for these policy failures.
These are not the markings of a promising or successful presidential campaign.
Ah yes, the ‘oh we can’t give credit for something good, it must just be lazy accident and/or incompetence’ crowd. After initially being blocked by the courts and Congress these forgiven loans are active actions where he could get around restrictions placed on him.
Still making excuses for the purposefully incompetent Democrats, huh?
Funny how the Republicans always manage to accomplish their ghoulish goals, but the Dems never seem to substantially progress any of the social benefits they promise to the people while quietly progressing all of the corporate goals they weren’t so vocal about supporting during the campaign.
You’ll notice I gave as much credit as they were due. Capable of letting Roe v Wade get overturned while having executive control, but incapable of codifying it when they had a majority in the Senate, SCOTUS and the executive branch.
They’re worse than incompetent, they’re complicit, and they’ll keep stringing people along with the threat that things will get worse if you don’t vote for them…as they participate in making things worse for everyone but their big $ donors.
Look up how filibusters work, then explain to me how, with a not even certain 51 vote majority in the Senate they codify abortion into law…
Also, please explain how the Democrats have any say whatsoever in how the supreme Court rules on Roe when the Republicans managed to stack the court with a 6/3 slant? Hint for you, the executive branch doesn’t get to tell the court what to do…
Lol, do you think history is only the last 4 years? They’ve had more than 50 years and multiple instances of having the supermajority. Has there been a 50 year filibuster?
How many times have the Democrats submitted a bill to modify RvW?
Keep making excuses for this abusive relationship we’ve had with the Dems. If things the majority of people actually wanted were passed, the Dems wouldn’t have anything to dangle in front of us and say, “hey, if you don’t vote for us, the other guy will take away these rights of yours that are in limbo.”
Excuses and bullshit is all they’ve had for decades. I’d say a century, but I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Got to give credit where it’s due.
If you look at these two links, Roe V. Wade was decided January 22, 1973, since that time there have been two congresses where a super-majority with a filibuster proof 60+ votes in the senate and the house in 75 and 77. A Republican (Ford) was in the president’s office for one of those leaving a single time with Carter in 1977 when it would have been possible without altering the senate rules to codify the decision, assuming that the R’s would have objected as they have from the beginning. I guess you can take it up with Jimmy that it wasn’t pushed into law back when the SC had just made their stance clear a couple years prior.
The next most viable times would have been in 1993 with Clinton and and 2009 with Obama, and both of those would have needed to either amend the rules or convince some R’s to go for it. It seems you’re overestimating the power they’ve had since the matter was before the SC the first time, particularly when it had been seen as a settled matter for more than 2 decades before the earlier of those.
I’m well aware of these instances and they were included in my link. I’m saying that these are not a good justification for their inaction.
If it’s important to protect your citizens why not amend the rules? The Republicans have no issues with this tactic. The Democrats are toothless and complicit by not taking the necessary actions to properly represent their people.
Do you think their corporate sponsors accept these kinds of excuses?
Lol, do you think history is only the last 4 years? They’ve had more than 50 years and multiple instances of having the supermajority.
You also cited that they’ve purportedly had several instances where they could have passed it at will when there has been realistically 1 viable time just 4 years after the original SC ruling.
A brief history of one of the biggest obstructions and also notably important tools at the disposal of the Senate. Interestingly enough one of the few times that the rules on it where changed actually was at the behest of the Democrats to allow for placing judicial nominees without the Republicans getting in the way. Actively doing away with it or making significant modifications has been kicked around for a while but outright removing it would all but nullify any input by the minority party. By forcing a 60 vote barrier to things you set the table for either working with people of different stripes (not a bad idea, we did use to get a lot more done that way) or if you happen to be in a space to have those 60+ all yourself then you can consider that a free ticket and strong demonstration of the will of the voters.
Do you think their corporate sponsors accept these kinds of excuses?
I’m sure that they’re probably held to a higher standard of performance than their Republican counterparts who tend to come from poor states with low educational standards. The R’s can be bought off for a relative bargain price to be sure, so less pressure to get on the ball.
The point of my comments is that neither party represents the people, my focus is only on the Dem’s because they market themselves on that platform.
The only real difference between the parties besides that marketing is that the Dem’s make excuses when they can’t pass a popular (with the people) bill. They put the blame on the Republicans and do little to find a way to make it happen.
As someone affected by these bills, I really don’t care why they can’t do what we want, only that they aren’t doing it. As an elected official, if it’s not possible, they need to make it possible. I guarantee this is the standard they are held to by those who fund their campaigns.
I understand the reasons they give for not being able to pass certain bills, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t excuses. A government should be run by the people and for the people. When it’s not, you’re seeing the minority party actually controlling the majority party and it’s a matter of a power imbalance. D and R can and do work together when they want to, but neither of them does this for us.
I’m not disagreeing with you because I misunderstand how the US government works, it’s because I understand and disagree with how the government works. The system needs to be changed and the parties with the power to do so are not enacting meaningful change. The only way to change a system is through leveraging power and the only power the people have is numbers.
So why apologize for them? Why buy into their excuses and defend their actions?
Looks like he’s just doing the shit that the US government already should have been doing based on existing programs that were actively mismanaged in the past. Promises not kept through administrative technicalities.
Not a bad thing, but a far cry from the political win it is touted as. Essentially, “we are no longer actively trying to fuck over people who applied to old debt-relief programs.” Weighing this against the predatory nature of student loan policy in the US, the unforgiving bankruptcy policies Biden directly helped put in place over a decade ago, and his failure to achieve the two student loan relief efforts he promised (or publicly campaigned on if you want to get pedantic), I’d say that the progress made is wholely insufficient.
We can simultaneously recognize that there has been an improvement while also recognizing that it has not been enough and these politicians must be held accountable for these policy failures.
These are not the markings of a promising or successful presidential campaign.
Ah yes, the ‘oh we can’t give credit for something good, it must just be lazy accident and/or incompetence’ crowd. After initially being blocked by the courts and Congress these forgiven loans are active actions where he could get around restrictions placed on him.
Still making excuses for the purposefully incompetent Democrats, huh?
Funny how the Republicans always manage to accomplish their ghoulish goals, but the Dems never seem to substantially progress any of the social benefits they promise to the people while quietly progressing all of the corporate goals they weren’t so vocal about supporting during the campaign.
You’ll notice I gave as much credit as they were due. Capable of letting Roe v Wade get overturned while having executive control, but incapable of codifying it when they had a majority in the Senate, SCOTUS and the executive branch.
They’re worse than incompetent, they’re complicit, and they’ll keep stringing people along with the threat that things will get worse if you don’t vote for them…as they participate in making things worse for everyone but their big $ donors.
Look up how filibusters work, then explain to me how, with a not even certain 51 vote majority in the Senate they codify abortion into law…
Also, please explain how the Democrats have any say whatsoever in how the supreme Court rules on Roe when the Republicans managed to stack the court with a 6/3 slant? Hint for you, the executive branch doesn’t get to tell the court what to do…
Lol, do you think history is only the last 4 years? They’ve had more than 50 years and multiple instances of having the supermajority. Has there been a 50 year filibuster?
How many times have the Democrats submitted a bill to modify RvW?
Here’s the answer: “we never really felt it was necessary.”
Keep making excuses for this abusive relationship we’ve had with the Dems. If things the majority of people actually wanted were passed, the Dems wouldn’t have anything to dangle in front of us and say, “hey, if you don’t vote for us, the other guy will take away these rights of yours that are in limbo.”
Excuses and bullshit is all they’ve had for decades. I’d say a century, but I’m trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Got to give credit where it’s due.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/jun/25/control-house-and-senate-1900/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
If you look at these two links, Roe V. Wade was decided January 22, 1973, since that time there have been two congresses where a super-majority with a filibuster proof 60+ votes in the senate and the house in 75 and 77. A Republican (Ford) was in the president’s office for one of those leaving a single time with Carter in 1977 when it would have been possible without altering the senate rules to codify the decision, assuming that the R’s would have objected as they have from the beginning. I guess you can take it up with Jimmy that it wasn’t pushed into law back when the SC had just made their stance clear a couple years prior.
The next most viable times would have been in 1993 with Clinton and and 2009 with Obama, and both of those would have needed to either amend the rules or convince some R’s to go for it. It seems you’re overestimating the power they’ve had since the matter was before the SC the first time, particularly when it had been seen as a settled matter for more than 2 decades before the earlier of those.
I’m well aware of these instances and they were included in my link. I’m saying that these are not a good justification for their inaction.
If it’s important to protect your citizens why not amend the rules? The Republicans have no issues with this tactic. The Democrats are toothless and complicit by not taking the necessary actions to properly represent their people.
Do you think their corporate sponsors accept these kinds of excuses?
You also cited that they’ve purportedly had several instances where they could have passed it at will when there has been realistically 1 viable time just 4 years after the original SC ruling.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/history-of-the-filibuster
A brief history of one of the biggest obstructions and also notably important tools at the disposal of the Senate. Interestingly enough one of the few times that the rules on it where changed actually was at the behest of the Democrats to allow for placing judicial nominees without the Republicans getting in the way. Actively doing away with it or making significant modifications has been kicked around for a while but outright removing it would all but nullify any input by the minority party. By forcing a 60 vote barrier to things you set the table for either working with people of different stripes (not a bad idea, we did use to get a lot more done that way) or if you happen to be in a space to have those 60+ all yourself then you can consider that a free ticket and strong demonstration of the will of the voters.
I’m sure that they’re probably held to a higher standard of performance than their Republican counterparts who tend to come from poor states with low educational standards. The R’s can be bought off for a relative bargain price to be sure, so less pressure to get on the ball.
The point of my comments is that neither party represents the people, my focus is only on the Dem’s because they market themselves on that platform.
The only real difference between the parties besides that marketing is that the Dem’s make excuses when they can’t pass a popular (with the people) bill. They put the blame on the Republicans and do little to find a way to make it happen.
As someone affected by these bills, I really don’t care why they can’t do what we want, only that they aren’t doing it. As an elected official, if it’s not possible, they need to make it possible. I guarantee this is the standard they are held to by those who fund their campaigns.
I understand the reasons they give for not being able to pass certain bills, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t excuses. A government should be run by the people and for the people. When it’s not, you’re seeing the minority party actually controlling the majority party and it’s a matter of a power imbalance. D and R can and do work together when they want to, but neither of them does this for us.
I’m not disagreeing with you because I misunderstand how the US government works, it’s because I understand and disagree with how the government works. The system needs to be changed and the parties with the power to do so are not enacting meaningful change. The only way to change a system is through leveraging power and the only power the people have is numbers.
So why apologize for them? Why buy into their excuses and defend their actions?