I like you.

Oh. Can it be run by the government, and provided to anyone who pays taxes (either currently, in the past, or someone that will in the future, like a child)?

That would be great.

I think you just invented socialized healthcare.

Violence is not the answer.

Violence is more of a question.

That’s a trait of mine, to look at situations from different perspectives, not just mine, or what “I would do” or what I want to see happen.

I’m a long time observer of people, and the most fascinating thing to try to understand is why. It’s impossible to know someone’s true motivations for doing something but most of the time you can reach a pretty good guess if you have enough of a picture of what’s going on with them.

I don’t mind downvotes. I don’t hate what Luigi did, and I appreciate that he probably didn’t feel like he had another course of action, at the same time, I try to understand and be sympathetic regarding anyone else Luigi may have come into contact with.

We’re all living a life, everyone’s life is a complex, interconnected mess of happenstance.

Actually, that’s a typo. I intended to put left leaning, I thought I put left leaning, and reading it back a moment before seeing your comment, I noticed the error.

Whoops. My bad.

I couldn’t give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.

It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.

I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.

I’m not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn’t really my problem. That being said, I’m more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the “economic ladder” let me tell you, it’s pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I’m upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked… for free.

The system itself must regard itself as fair, therefore if there is a clear and present violation of the law, they must enforce the punishment for that violation.

The problem is that the crimes if these healthcare CEOs, are indirect. They sign into policy that people should be denied coverage based on bullshit. This leads to damages in the form of unemployment (hard to work when you’re sick constantly), pain, suffering, and death.

Since their actions didn’t immediately and directly kill the person, only by their inaction, or their refusal to act, did the person then succumb to their illness, there isn’t a clear violation of the law. It’s still there, it’s just not super clear. Since the burdon of proof is on the accuser, and the accused is “innocent until proven guilty” under the law, and these policies that get people killed are not public documents, and therefore difficult to acquire in a way that’s “admissible in court”, there’s a steep and stark uphill climb to meet that burdon of proof required to properly prosecute these jerkwads.

Fact of the matter is, families wronged by insurance assholes generally don’t have the funds to support a long legal battle to first obtain, then submit the required evidence, and then see the case all the way through to the end against highly paid legal teams representing the insurance companies. If anyone in that position had enough money to do that, they would have long spent the money required on healing their family members before the idea of a case materializes.

What I’m saying is, only the rich assholes have the resources to fight, and because they’re rich assholes, they’ll never end up in a situation where they would need to fight.

Therefore, nothing will be done because nobody with the resources to do something will do anything, nor would they have reason to do anything. So the only recourse is… Well… Exactly what happened. You can try peaceful protests and trying to push legislation, but bluntly, it would take so long to get done, if it ever got done, that anyone you hoped to help with the changes, would be long dead by the time the legislation is put in place. Bearing in mind that everyone in government would be against you on it. They’re all rich assholes that either profit directly from health insurance being broken, or they know someone who benefits from it. So the chances aren’t good.

What happened, especially if it becomes more of a trend, the single act that Luigi took… If people follow in those footsteps, changes will happen, and quickly, because above all, these jackoffs don’t want to die. They want you to die for their profit margins to go up, but they don’t want to die. Making death a real and credible risk from literally any stranger they meet on the street, will inspire them to make changes that minimize that risk. Fat lot of good the Justice system is to a corpse. Good for the family, sure, but the corpse isn’t going to be any less dead after the prosecution rests.

If this becomes a very real and credible threat to their survival, one that could come from anywhere at any time, without warning… They’ll get the message really fucking fast.

IMO, we only need it to happen once more, to get there.

Yup. And I hope this is a lesson that is well learned to the front line workers of the USA. I’m sure many don’t give enough of a shit to even notice, but hopefully the message is spread far and wide that this is what happens when we rat eachother out.

Do not speak to police, ever. Exercise your right to silence always. Do not help them, do not correct them when they are wrong. Do not speak to them besides informing them that you are exercising your right to remain silent.

Police are not your friend, they are a gang of armed thugs out to enforce laws put in by a system that is designed to actively work against you for the good of the 1%.

I hope that message gets to all of those that would be a rat.

The last I heard about the rat that outed Luigi was that he got doxxed, harassed, fired, and to piss on all of that, denied any compensation or reward by the pigs for being a rat. That sucks for him, but snitches get stitches.

I think you’re right. The prospect of being rewarded may have been enough to push them to giving up Luigi.

After the authorities apprehend him, there’s every chance that they’ll delay, deny, defend against giving out any kind of reward to anyone for their help in finding him.

To be blunt, I don’t blame them.

There was a price on his head, and while I understand why he would do what he did (though his direct intentions haven’t really been made public), and I agree that there are good reasons for what he did; the fact is, he committed a crime.

While we’re all basically cheering on what he did, I’m sure that CEO that I don’t care enough about to remember his name, had family and friends and stuff who will miss him greatly.

Those people, under the law, are entitled to justice, the same as you or I are entitled to justice when healthcare CEOs deny coverage that directly leads to someone’s death. Though, I don’t know how much of the latter has ever transpired. Regardless, the fact that we’re entitled to our day in court to get justice, so are they.

Provided Luigi is guilty, of course. This fact has yet to be proven in a court of law.

With all that in mind, and the monetary reward for basically turning him in, for someone working a minimum wage job at McDonald’s, that’s an easy call. You’re technically “doing the right thing” by tipping off police to the whereabouts of a suspect in a murder, and you also get a payday for it. Win-win ? I guess?

Personally, I was hoping that, we the people (or at least the US people), would feel so strongly in support of what was done, that we would individually agree unanimously, that we don’t turn this person in, and we just carry on. Sure, authorities would keep looking for him because they’re paid to, but the general public simply isn’t helping them at all with it.

IMO, that would have sent a very public and very clear message to the people in charge that “we the people” do not care about you. We have the power to do these things and suffer no consequences. We have the power that you think you hold. Do the right thing, or you’re next.

Alas, not the case. Oh well.

There’s definitely logic behind wanting to boycott their art so that you are not indirectly supporting their decisions by giving them the money to continue to do the things that they’re doing.

Of course, that is also a separate decision from whether you like the art or whether you like the artist.

Anyone trying to tie these things together is generally not someone I would want to associate with.

That’s fair. You can like something but refuse to support it.

I’m mainly taking issue with anyone who says that if you don’t like the artist, you can’t appreciate the art. I’ve heard it a few times (or some variation of it), and IMO, that’s far too common already.

I’m not a swiftie, and I’m male, so take my words as you will in that context.

Simply: IMO, it is possible to appreciate someones artistry while disliking their personal value system and actions.

Just because someone is a good artist, does not and should not imply that they are good.

Both liking someone’s music and disliking their decisions as a person, can both be true. I hate the plethora of false dichotomy arguments that you can’t appreciate music made by a person if that person is considered a bad person. One does not mean the other cannot be true.

Is it bad that I read that last section in the super fast barely intelligible voice they use in medication ads?

Ty

I’m out of the loop, who died now?

Where’s my pitchfork?

Healthcare should not be profit driven.

You asked me to.

I’m glad that I live in a country with socialized healthcare.

Both PG and VG are water soluble. If you have oil in your lungs after vaping, you might want to switch what you’re vaping.

I don’t know your situation, or what testing methods you used. I have no doubt that you’ve had an experience that supports your claims. With that being said, I have heard, both from people on the internet, and personal friends, who have switched from smoking to vaping, and almost every story is the same: after the tar is processed out of their respiratory system, they breathe a lot better after switching to vaping.

It seems logical to me that you’d need to vape for a few months before feeling the effects of quitting smoking as the tar will take at least that long to get to the point where you would feel a difference. That’s what I’ve heard from the people I’ve spoken to.

The only “vapes” I know of that have oil in them, are for marijuana. The active ingredients in marijuana are oil-soluble, so vitamin E acetate is usually used to dilute it to the desired strength. Vaping vitamin E acetate will absolutely mess up your lungs and cause permanent damage.

“Weed vapes” are generally purchased from the black markets or weed dealers, who are generally already breaking the law and don’t care about customer safety. So while stuff like vitamin E acetate is never used in the vape liquid you’d buy at your local vape shop, it can, and very likely will be in vapes that are made and distributed illegally.

More or Less, yes, it has.

Cancer from cigarettes is largely linked to a small subset of compounds produced by the combustion of tobacco. Appropriately named as carcinogens. Those are the cancer-causing compounds that link cigarettes to cancer.

Vaping, by contrast, is propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine (PG and VG), as the base substance (which is basically the same stuff they use in fog machines, and people breathe that constantly without any directly related issues). PG/VG makes up more than 90% of the vape liquid, by volume. The remaining 10% is usually a solution of PG/VG mixed with nicotine concentrate to make the whole solution have a particular % of nicotine content, usually measured in mg per ml, and the last few percentile are flavorings.

So from a 60ml bottle, more than 55ml will be the VG/PG base fluid, 3-4 mL will be the nicotine concentrate, and the remainder will be flavoring.

Apart from the flavor ingredients: VG, PG, and nicotine, to date, have no carcinogenic characteristics and have not been linked to cancer (to the best of my knowledge). So over 95% of the volume of the liquid is known to not be cancer causing, the rest is usually food-grade flavoring.

Needless to say, food-grade flavoring is generally not carcinogenic.