Accidental pornography = material that was not primarily made to be used as porn, and has later become porn.

Like the picture of your daughter that could very well have been used by pedophiles to pleasure themselves, or could be in the future.

Just say you don’t care about that possibility and I’ll concede, how about that.

Oh lord I should just drop this but here we go:

1. I think you unintentionally abused your daughter by creating child porn of her.

2. Without the intent of pedophilia you could just be ignorant, but since you are defending it actively, this makes you stupid.

You are willfully ignorant, which is what I mean when I call people stupid or an idiot.

If you really want to insist that number 1 there equals an incestuous relationship then sure I’ll bite the bullet on that one. I just don’t think its relevant because neither of you knew it at the time nor intended the situation to be incestuous. It was accidentally incestuous maybe, but that’s entirely your fault because you are the adult.

Essentially, you were ignorant then and now your an idiot, but it was wrong the whole time.

Does that make things clear?

If that’s what those words mean to you and your daughter, sure but that’s not the same as me saying them. Those are all your ideas and I dont endorse a single one of them, nor would I say them to your daughter.

Why do you think you can just change what words I say to be other more offensive words and then attack those?

This is why I accused you of bad faith. Never said any of that. Would be nice if you’d stop building straw men to attack.

Is there a reason I should hide my opinions of her father from her? What abuse am I supposed to be levying here.

You probably shouldn’t bring her into a conversation with adults if you don’t want her hearing others opinions of you.

You know you and your daughter could both go your whole lives without that picture ever being a problem, and I’d still be against its existence right?

So, what words are you going to put in my mouth next? Seems to be getting harder and harder for you to twist your opinion into fact.

Here I’ll put it simply for you: I think the pictures you currently have are immoral to have taken, and immoral to keep now. I think your daughter is the victim of this. I dont know if she will ever be harmed by it, but the fact that she could is enough. I dont think I’m required to report you for having admitted having these pictures. I dont think anyone’s required to do anything based on simple comments on an anonymous forum. If you were in my community, and you asked how I felt about this, I would tell you all this to your face and hope that changed your mind, but past that I wouldn’t do anything probably more out of distrust of our legal system than anything though. If you think I’m awful for that, I’m okay with that. Maybe we are both awful people. Did I miss anything?

Edit: oh I also think you can have CP and not be a pedophile. Like I said, that just makes you stupid.

I never said you dont have a collection of CP. You have more than one picture right?

I mean if she’s on here I can tell her right now? Flying Squid’s daughter, I sincerely believe your dad to be an idiotic blowhard who thinks his powers of prediction are near limitless.

Now what?

I promise I won’t tell anyone about your child porn collection. Its okay you don’t have to worry.

You really should put more than just a cursory thought into your replies you know. Gotchas only work if you can’t pause to think about how stupid of a point you are making right now.

I like how you think saying I’m required to do something actually makes me required to do something. I am not the child porn police. I am not responsible for reporting every murmur of child porn, or abuse.

I sincerely believe that the naked picture of your child on your computer/phone/physical image is CP because thats one of its possible uses, and you have no idea it is not being used as porn right now. I also sincerely believe I have no obligation to report absolutely anything about this. Its a fucking discussion over the internet with a stranger, you really think theres even an authority for me to report you to?

I also sincerely believe you are just an idiot, rather than a pedophile, and you just have a very inflated ego and sense of self righteousness. I’m sure you’ve never been wrong, but if you were it was for a good reason, right?

Oh I’m sorry I’m supposed to believe you are replying in good faith right now? I’m alright with ending this here if you have nothing more to say about it.

I think you’ve lost track of your replies.

You can make all the jokes you want, you have no idea if that exact picture of your daughter features prominently in a CP collection somewhere, right this instant.

And you can say, for certain, that noone has ever seen that photo without your permission? I guess you might have me here if its a physical photo locked in a safe somewhere.

Edit: although these had to printed at a business, where anyone working could have copied them

Depends what you do with your CP collection I suppose. Theres an argument to be made that if you never show or tell anyone you did it, noones hurt.

I dont believe that personally, so I suppose I’d have to say that you have abused your daughter by taking a naked picture of her without her consent.

Why not go back and just blur out the genitals? You seem very fixated on making sure those stay.

Were you even in the room with your newborns? Both of mine were moved to a table, cleaned up, and swaddled. I would have had to literally interrupt them to take a genital picture of them.

But I guess where you live, they pause first and ask if you want a full naked body shot? Cool tradition, I know you love those.

I’m sure noone has been in trouble for ONLY having their naked child’s pictures on their phone, but I’m sure those pictures have ended up in CP collections. I’m sure you have perfect opsec though so its fine.

Legality as side, since its not the law preventing me from abusing children anyways, I’m arguing that its morally wrong. Plenty of immoral actions are legal from my perspective.

Why does your perspective need baby genitals to be featured again?

I experienced trauma from my childhood. It wasn’t exclusively the pictures but it was a part of it. And my mom says the same bullshit you are saying now.

But I’m sure you’ll just be so in tune with your kid, and have perfect adherence to unassailable morals, so they will make it through this abuse just fine. I don’t understand why you are so proud of that fact, but here we are.

And I’m sure you’ll say I made this all up for the sake of argument, since that’s exactly what you told the first person.

How would you define like us vs similar to us?

All of the resources and energy spent to get you this product you like. You can’t discount what it took to create something just because the final product is small and efficient. Take a look at the manufacturing footprint of nearly all complex hardware.

I’m not saying you created the AI but you are one of its supporters, without which there would be no AI.

If this was all just pitched as developing a new plain English coding language, I think the hype following it would be far more appropriate, but then the funding wouldn’t follow to support the massive development costs of AI.

Its become a circle of hype chasing money chasing hype.

Its not you that is the problem so to speak though, its the collective “you’s” who think the same way.

People are replying and reporting trauma, you are saying you don’t believe them, that its not good enough. Besides the fact its absurd that you think psychology or sociology is even close to solving or understanding nearly any of the topics we are talking about.

When it comes to psychology, self reports are evidence, and you disagreeing with that doesn’t change anything.

Depends if you are talking legally or morally. I disagree with a lot of whats legal. Your examples are silly and easy to answer:

If they want to be tickled than yes, if not than no. Punishing the child is for their own best interest, not to get them to learn to listen to the king of the house better. We make decisions for them because they aren’t capable of making the best decisions for themselves.

So how exactly does taking pictures of them naked when they are babies or children, help them in any way?

Its a stupid tradition. Embarrassing people is always bad. Purposely hurting people is always bad. Regardless of the trauma it causes it would still at best make you an incredibly selfish person.

I personally have no use for pictures of baby genitals, but you really do huh? It even makes you upset we want to take away your baby genital pictures huh?

Is this some perverse form of individualism?

Edit: if you took a picture of you cleaning your daughters vagina out, and showed someone, yes that would be child porn and child abuse.

I think his point is that he’s the exception and he would be very upset if he got thrown in with all the pedo’s.

I agree with what you said, such a strange hill to die on. He wont accept any variation like covering just their genitals or making them off camera. Its like its very important he has baby dicks and vaginas saved on his computer and phone.

And of course since he would never hurt his own children (said every parent who inadvertently abuses their children), we shouldn’t make him adhere to the rules the rest of us do.

All hail king flying squid I guess. I’m starting to realize that quantity of posts does not equal quality of character.

P.s. tell him to stop Doxxing himself so much.

I’m sorry, you can’t have experienced trauma unless you’ve had someone clinically analyze and diagnose you?

What kind of absurd bar is this?