Except my country barely have billionaries. It’s called a tax hell, and regulated hell by every bussiness man.

And rich people are the ones actually pushing massive immigration because it gives them cheap workers and weakens their country of origin so the can do nasty bussiness there.

Rich people here are actually the ones telling us that immigration is the best. Even the far right and conservative parties tells us that we need tons of immigrants.

Also migrants are taking away their own cookie. Letting themselves be in a weaker position in a foreign country to be exploited. Instead of taking control of their country and build another place where bussinessmen cannot fuck with them with ease.

The white old rich dude in the picture. He is the most supporting of massive immigration. Cheap workers for his business and a young latino maid wife that he can abuse because he sustain her financially. That’s the reality. That’s what’s happening. How is that good for anyone but the rich?

They are all bland.

It’s hard to believe that they never achieved Alpha Centauri levels of Charisma. Not even close.

In my country we stopped voting the socdem party, because they betrayed the workers. From one election to the next they lost like half the votes.

For 4 years the conservative party ruled. But after that the socdem change their politics we voted them again and had had a fairly leftist government for the last year.

They are slacking again so I plan not to vote next election, hoping thar more people get the memo, they sink again in votes and sit to think on why people felt betrayed, and change for the better.

4 years of conservative party were worthy giving that after the socdems turned left again we conquer a lot of things that we wouldn’t have gotten otherwise if we would have keep on voting their moderate centrist version.

We also voted for third parties when they said that it was throwing your vote away, and the other party got almost the same votes as the socdems(too bad they were not that good once they sat on office). My point is that courage is needed to make a change.

Actually that’s just an average. There’s a guy out there getting 50billion cockroaches on a regular basis and he screwed the statistic.

I don’t care about the US. I’m not talking about the US.

I’m talking about my country. The US is not the whole world.

Mass inmigration have some negative impact to some workers. To all, bad impact workers on the origin country, on the destination country and for the migrant workers. Mass inmigration only helps capitalists, that’s why they defend it the most. That’s why the most capitalist country in the world (now I am indeed talking about the US) is incredibly open to immigrants. Massive immigration is great to increase shareholders profits. Not so good for everybody else, including migrants.

But if you somehow think that Spain was a imperialistic colonial superpower by 1975 is a waste of time trying to explain it. Talking about it rationally is against your dogma, your identity politics, and the anti-worker pseudoleft, so… No point.

You are looking terribly wrong by anyone who knows anything about Spanish history right now 😂

The great Spanish empire of 1975😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Really. You are doing yourself a bad favour writing such irrational things.

Left is supposed to be rational, please.

Be rational! Think about what you are writing!

You are being incredible insensible and offensive to the poor Spanish workers that had to eat street cats in the 1950s because they were starving to death. But according to some Lemmytor they were a colonial imperialist superpower.

Ah yeah, the spanish empire from many centuries ago. Whose colonies are full from spanish inmigrants because latin America was richer than mainland Spain. You know that you are talking about something similar to the relationship between UK and the US/Canada don’t you? Old time colonies that got, in fact, richer that the mainland country. Is the US exploited by the UK? Is the US poverty fault of the British empire? Do you know that fucking Texas was part of the Spanish empire? Do we own Texas some reparations?

You don’t know anything. You have a dogma.

Do a research on Spanish inmigration please.

And don’t go to fucking 15th century.

Go to 1800s 1900s. Search for the “gallegos”, search for “hacer las americas”. Spanish people used to go to America to be servants, to be cleaning workers…

Spain has been a very poor country for many many years, until very recently.

I’m not American. But I’ll give a clear example about my country.

In Spain people used to migrate to Latin American. As life was better there. It was only until the 70… That the trend changed. We became a democracy and started fighting for working rights. And that worked. We made our country a better place. And people starting coming more and more snd more and now they are coming in mass.

From this 40 years where migrational policies changed. And Spain moved from beeing poorer that Latin American to richer. We did not colonize anything, we didn’t use slaves, became s colonial power, invaded any other country or organizing any coup in any place, we did not divide Africa or done anything bad. Countries can get better without exploiting others. We got better by fighting for worker rights and making this place one of the places with more worker security in the world. That made us richer, that made us a place desirable for inmigration. I shall not accept negation of the worker struggle, and the worker sacrifices that achieved this by any identity-policy propaganda, where people are based or good based on their skin tone or the country they were born in. We achieved what we got without exploiting others. The FMI tried to destroy us as well and we managed to overcome it with socialist politics. We must now defend what we achieved, were are entitled to it, as we fought a lot for it.

Not saying there are stealing jobs. Or that they are the culprit of everything wrong.

Only thing saying is that mass inmigration have negative effects. Some of them is allowing capitalists to keep hiring for cheap and exploiting people.

Eating the rich is not opposed to a rational migration policy. Quite the contrary. As I said the ones benefiting more from mass inmigration are indeed the rich. Changing migrational policies is one effective way to hurt the super rich.

I’m not against other workers. I would gladly work to produce weapons for them if they need to depose some oligarchs that does not allow them to stablish a workers society in some place.

What is bot reasonable is to give up on 90% of the world land and just suppose that the few places that have achieved some level of quality of life for a worker are the only place where all people are supposed to be. That just does not work. Not for them, not for me. Not for anyone. That policies are only going to destroy the few places we have built where workers can have good lives. And then… what? When europe is no longer a good place to live where is people going to emigrate to?

Emigration is not a solution to world problems. Is just ignoring a problem… How letting all capable workers from one place move to another makes the former place better for workers?

As I said, I’m open to other forms of class solidarity to solve issues. If I can do some to improve a country which have issues so that country is more livable I’ll do it, because it’s a long term good solution.

But massive inmigration solves nothing. It just ask for a big sacrifice to me to improve other lives. And again working class can do only so many sacrifices before it start thinking about itself.

Also. Inmigration is not even as class conscious as painted. We all know that we have that much inmigration only because capitalists need workers that are willing to accept less money for more work, not for any other reason. They are used as meat and oil for keeping the shareholders profits, in societies where native workers are asking for better salaries and won’t be easily exploited.

Self-interest is the principal motive of migrants though. Instead of staying and trying to work to improve a bad place they chose to move to an already better place because it’s better for them.

They literally move because the other country have something good in it for them.

Why ask for some pristine selfness to some people but not to other?

I’m a member of the working class. I do get my income exclusively from work. I’m not capitalist, I work hard every day for what I have. So the amount of selfness and sacrifices that can and should be asked to me are small.

Between members of the working class solidarity must go both ways to work.

There’s no class solidarity if I, as a worker, am treated like some kind of capitalist oligarch that does not deserve what I have.

Yes and no.

Borders may not mean a lot when you just pop out of your mother.

But when you have worked 30-50 years building a place in a certain way you may actually have some legit entitlement on all that you built and worked for.

It’s a complex issue. We’ve seem some countries have bad issues because bad inmigration politics.

I know it’s against the dogma to even dare to talk about inmigration policies with anything that’s not “open borders”. It’s a sin and the inquisition will promptly come after me for just mentioning that massive inmigration did not improve one particular country. And that a too “welcoming” policy was a proved failure.

But reality beats any kind of dogma, propaganda or illusion. And as rational thinking human beings, when the dogma fails we are required to actually notice it and act accordingly.

I’m not even American and even I have figured that a lot of that shit seems to be being push by the Republican party.

Instead of “bread and circus” they are just giving you “aliens and Iran”.

Idk, I would dedicate my life to a evil god if I knew it was real.

Cuatro.- God is all powerful but its also evil. Chthulhu timeline!

I’m always amazed by the english word “landlords” they are literally “lords”. They ought to be crushed by the advance of history.

Idk what’s more woke that offing a CEO.

Any proof that he is right winger, that’s not made by some fundamentalist?

Because last bullshit I read is that he was right wing because he liked technology…

Private medical insurance companies in my country that try to overthrow universal public healthcare saying that a 30€/month insurance can cover everything and that is cheaper than public healthcare -> 🤡

I don’t know if recently we switched sides and socialism became equivalent with primitivism. But industrialization and embrace of science a technology was a big part of socialism when it started in the xix century.

I don’t buy the primitivism take, sorry. It’s sad that people don’t buy pregnant sonic commissions $80 a piece in etsy because some open source AI does a better job for free. But it has nothing to do with socialism or the struggle of the working class.

I just say that the embrace of primitivism and the reject of progress will lead to conservative and reactionary ideologies, not progress and certainly not socialism. Without job automation working class lives would be miserable, there is not even a chance of socialism without technology.