Not just guys, let me tell you

Working should really happen on a separate network though, business has no business being conducted on a private one.

never really bothered with the spinoffs, as the model of Arch makes them useless and more problematic to deal with

I highly enjoy using EndeavourOS. But then again, I wouldn’t classify it as a spinoff, it’s pretty much vanilla Arch, but purple.

Now Manjaro on the other hand… Tried it and understood why so many people don’t like it within the first week.

Does it actually support 0.19 now? It still had login issues last I checked, two days ago

The icons don’t all speak the same language, true. Some are way more elaborate and detailed than others, which just makes them look off.

Maybe the library could be a single book instead of an entire bookshelf, for example?

People always tell me how affordable the Mac mini is when I complain about Apples’ pricing. Huh?
719€ for a computer that has 8GB of memory? Shared between cpu and gpu? In 2023?

Excuse me?

That’s also just a waste of good wafers for how capaple Apple silicon is.

That is the most elaborate way of dancing around a simple answer I have ever seen, I am impressed.

Marketing, lies and deception aside, what is the most secure and private Android system?

Okay, first of all: Chill, and let me lay out an observation here.

You are very passionate about that topic, maybe a little too much. The way you talk about it is too heated, and gives people the idea that a civil discussion might not be possible.

The fact that you immediately start conspiring about where your downvotes come from doesn’t make it any better.

Now, the issues you describe are very much real, and a problem. There are merits and downfalls in each project, each one handles these differently, and it is for us to decide how to react to that.

So, you’re saying that as a reaction, I should neither use Graphene nor DivestOS, am I understanding this correctly?

What then? Compromise my privacy by using less optimal systems? Why would I do that?

Doing things out of principle vs doing them out of practical use is something this community is quite aware of, isn’t it. Sometimes the decision isn’t easy, sometimes it is.

Well, I do oppose this kind of behaviour, but I also want to use a system that fits my needs.

So what should I do? Making more people aware of issues is often the best we can realistically hope for.

I’ve heard of the general toxicity years ago already, but I will take no part in this drama and use whatever system fits the bill

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I’ve been using it for almost two years now, and I like it a lot. (small disclaimer, I’m running it on a OnePlus 5T, which is one of their so-called golden devices that it runs best on)

It’s pretty much the next best thing after Graphene, if you don’t want to buy a Pixel.

The guy who maintains it does an excellent job of documenting issues, what works on what device, what the system itself can and can’t do, it’s very transparent.

He doesn’t overpromise either, and explicitely states that getting a Pixel with Graphene is the better option overall. Greatly appreciate the honesty.

I’ll use it for as long as he’ll support my device, and then we’ll see if I switch to Graphene.

One important thing though: While you can install microG, DivestOS doesn’t officially support it, and while most things work, some don’t. SafetyNet, for instance.

Getting a Pixel just to have Graphene is not always an option. At least not a sensible one that factors in everything that’s important when buying something.

My current phone still runs perfectly fine, so getting a new one feels like a massive waste, too.

DivestOS absolutely slaps. Well, all things considered

Edit: It’s absolutely fantastic for what it is, and that is fact. Maintained by a single person, well documented, and doesn’t promise more than it can deliver.

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Mates, that ship has long sailed

I don’t know why, but saying a trans just sounds weird.

But yes, walking stereotype. I bet you like Fallout New Vegas, too

How sure can one be with proprietary apps that the users are in fact the only ones who can decrypt their messages?

Even without explicit installation of GApps, Lineage still uses and connects to quite a few Google services in the background.

It’s a great way of keeping older devices up to date, but not much more than that.

The main problem with us users is that we are god damn lazy. We want everything to be the most convenient it possibly can be.

Remember when Apple updated iOS to allow users to stop cross-app tracking, which severly upset the Zuck, that absolute manchild?

Turns out that if you actually inform people and give them a clear choice to make, the overwhelming majority of users do in fact not agree with being tracked, as an example.