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  • Using this approach, I am seeing none of those posts on /science. I updated the filters a bit today. The top post is a legitimate article from 2024-04-13 and is by HeartyBeast.

    Now, I understand that this is seen as an unnecessary step (too fancy) for some. People want zero ads out of the box without anything extra. So I’m thinking about the next approach here.

    Framing the problem:

    • Filtering should be automatic
    • End-user wants zero additional setup
    • There is no active upstream development
    • It’s not possible to inherit moderation of a magazine due to some queue of moderator application requests that is not being approved

    The third point and fourth points are important here, since that’s currently intractable. You can’t reconcile zero additional setup with that.

    But let’s suppose becoming moderator of a defunct magazine (point 4) were possible while point 3 remained unresolved. In other words, at least moderators can try to pick up the pieces. Something being underestimated here is how annoying it would be for the moderator to manually cull posts every single day. I think you would have instant turnover after a couple of weeks once the tedium sets in. Manual solution is not good. Clearly, automation is needed on the moderation side.

    So assuming you could actually inherit a magazine, but with no guarantee of upstream development, what about restructuring the tool above so that it’s for moderators, instead of end-users? That’s pretty easy, and I could make it something the moderator clicks once and it’s done, auto-banning the posts. This is a pretty good method.

    But you can’t inherit moderation right now, so that’s back to square one.

    Realistically, that leaves these options at the moment:

    • Wait (a long time) and see
    • Use the tool above and make magazines readable, albeit at some sacrifice of convenience (?)
    • Migrate to another instance

    Third approach is the path of least resistance and is best for most casual users. Second is for diehards who cannot move instances due to some personal or technical reason. First approach is the most annoying and eventually leads to the third approach after frustration sets in.

    Pick your poison, I guess. I can’t think of any other prophylactic approach at the moment, maybe this comment triggers some idea.




  • Of course, I’m not trying to suggest that a third-party prophylactic tool is a definitive solution to what is ultimately a separate problem, just trying to be pragmatic here and restore basic readability for end-users, whether the filtering is done at the source or after the fact.

    Let’s be real here, we are talking about unmoderated magazines on an instance where the developer is AWOL and using a framework that is lacking many basic features. Even with moderators, manual moderation can be a big ask and is time-consuming for free volunteers, depending on the volume of posts or how rudimentary the moderation tools are.

    I actually don’t read kbin magazines much, so I wasn’t aware of the extent of the problem until I started opening those magazines more closely, and felt that something is better than nothing.

    On the magazines you mentioned, I do see a few anomalous patterns that I’ll start filtering. For the most part, with filtering enabled, they were almost entirely free of garbage, save for a few patterns I may have missed on the first few passes. /programming and /food I need to take a deeper look at. The /food thing is good intel, because the use of Amazon referral links in the threads is something that can be generalized to other situations beyond books. Posting referral links is definitively block-worthy.

    I also noticed some stuff that by any other name would be considered a thinly-veiled ad, such as specific users only posting articles to web sites they own and operate. I’m not talking about bots as such, but actively promoting one’s own content–even when such content is on-topic for the magazine. I declined to filter this stuff yet, because it received a lot of upvotes and seemed to be received favorably, maybe because the readers felt it was at least germane to the topic at hand? I think this is probably true for /food as well, because the line between “content” and “promotion” is unclear here, since what is a food blog if not a product generating click revenue? It seems like the tolerance threshold for that sort of thing is higher in a magazine like /food versus some other magazine. Anyway, I digress. I’m not treating such stuff as in scope, just filtering what is blatantly noise.


  • You don’t like bufo toad venom? I like to start my mornings by sipping a little bufo toad venom while reading kbin. Buy bufo toad venom today.

    In all seriousness…I don’t know if you saw my last thread about KES in this magazine, but I suggest giving it a try. I’ve extended the filter coverage based on your feedback, and those magazines should essentially be expunged of garbage for the time being.

    As for the sidebar, I believe the implementation is fundamentally flawed because it loads content that, AFAIK, doesn’t respect your actual block settings. I suggest disabling the random threads element altogether in KES by navigating to General > Hide sidebar elements.








  • I’ll try to reproduce this and look into tightening the error handling. A 404 error should imply that the magazine is not available at the remote. Are those magazines available at the target instance? Agree that those should at least be added to the log–perhaps should add a third category for “Unavailable.” Remember that it will also navigate you to the magazines list at the end for visual confirmation.

    When you said community subscription, were you referring to something in particular, or just using this term generically to refer to magazines?