• Beaver [she/her]@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    You cannot pay for an animal to be murdered and In the same breath say you against animal abuse.

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          8 months ago

          I think you misunderstand what veganism is. It’s not absolute perfection. It’s reducing harm to animals as much as possible.

          No vegan believes they are “not harming animals”. But it’d be hard to argue that they’re harming just as many as omnivores.

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      8 months ago

      They aren’t paying for animals to be murdered, they are paying for a product at the Wallymart.

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      8 months ago

      Of course I can, because I know to use a dictionary. Abuse is not the same as murder. You can call me animal murderer, I’d give you that. But not abuser. I don’t beat or molest animals. I don’t maltreat them or starve them to death. They are kept safer than in wild, away from predators and have a life of luxury with constantly abundant food and no fear, until they fulfill a purpose that is meant for them. If anything am sheltering them far better than nature is.

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        8 months ago

        Unfortunately that is simply not true. If you had to take a guess, how long does a chicken live that is born into the animal agriculture industry and what does its life look like? Go watch Dominion ( https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko ) and learn what modern animal agriculture looks like because I promise you it is not a life free of abuse where they are safer than they would be in the wild with plenty of food to eat. If you are paying for animal products then you are not only paying for the animal to be murdered but are also paying for the abuse that it suffered for its entire short life before that point.

        Also I’d definitely argue that murder is a form of abuse. Defined as: “treat (a person or an animal) with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly.” If you wanted to discuss semantics it would be more accurate to say that it is impossible to murder an animal since the most common definition would probably be “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. There is a second more loose definition though that uses the language “kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation”. I would argue that an animal IS a “someone” as they are an individual with their own unique perception of the world. As such I do believe that it is possible to murder an animal. That being said, it is completely irrelevant to the morality of what is happening whether we call it murder or abuse or we come up with all new words to describe what’s happening. No matter what you call it, we are creating unfathomable amounts of completely unnecessary suffering by forcefully breeding (aka raping) animals and forcing them to live unimaginably awful lives which are ended very very prematurely because money and yummy.