• DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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    8 months ago

    If you didn’t willingly ignore the sins of “your side” that’d be valid.

    Meanwhile, the only criticism you launch at the Mensheviks is… They wanted to keep fighting the imperial powers?

    Don’t get me wrong, it was just a bad decision, but it wasn’t, ya know, genociding fellow socialists.

    I’d personally criticize them for thinking they needed to follow the traditional Marxist thought that economic liberalism was a required stage on the path to socialism.

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      8 months ago

      Meanwhile, the only criticism you launch at the Mensheviks is… They wanted to keep fighting the imperial powers?

      Bwahahahaha yeah that’s why Tsarist and Kerensky Russia was aligned with France and England

      Bwahahahaha

      At some point you gotta just come to the conclusion that you haven’t read enough on this topic and pick up some books instead of speaking garbage.

      Also “the only criticism” that’s the fucking big criticism that got them overthrown, which you’d fucking know if you studied history.

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        The imperial powers that were direct threats to the revolution and they were already fighting, buddy, aka the Ottomans and the Germans. Hey, remind me how that worked out in the end? Did the People’s Government get a seat at Versailles? No? Had to fight a war against fucking Poland first and then get even more people killed by Germany later?

        And your argument is “the decision was unpopular,” not that it was wrong.

        You also find that they were not overthrown. Their political alliance was couped, like what happens in a “real democracy” when you push an unpopular policy. Even then, they supported the Bolsheviks anyways in the civil war.

        Generally speaking, it’s considered rude to murder all of your fellow socialists anyways if that happens.

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          Hey, remind me how that worked out in the end? Did the People’s Government get a seat at Versailles? No? Had to fight a war against fucking Poland first and then get even more people killed by Germany later?

          And your argument is “the decision was unpopular,” not that it was wrong.

          Wait are you out here arguing that Russia should have continue fighting ww1? Seriously? And that refusing to fight the war led to nazi Germany and their exterminationist war against the soviet union?

          Bwahahahahahaha

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            8 months ago

            Eh, as you mentioned, it was deeply unpopular.

            But yes. It would have.

            Why would you think changing history would not change history?

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              8 months ago

              But yes. It would have.

              Remember this comment so you can cringe at it when you’re less ignorant :)

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                  and that’s something you can objectively prove, lol.

                  Weren’t you literally just claiming that if Russia stayed in the war the nazis wouldn’t have happened?

                  Bwahahaha

                  The repeated Bolshevik genocides of Jewish people.

                  As someone who had jewish family which survived the holocaust, lol, wtf? The worst instance of antisemitism in the USSR was the doctor’s plot, which wasn’t a genocide.

                  I’ll not comment on your apparent belief that Nazism was some fated historical inevitability, which sure seems like something a Nazi would believe and not a Marxist.

                  Nazijacketing me for thinking that Russia staying in ww1 wouldn’t have stopped the rise of nazism? Wow.

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                    When your purges actually violate literally every Marxist principle and sabotage the revolution, isn’t it kind of fair to accuse Bolsheviks, or at least the leadership, of being fake communists? Stalin was a counterrevolutionary, die mad about it, we’re Menshevik posting in this removed.

                    Has this gentleman ever seen a revolution? 😂