I see all over Lemmy, people really seem to hate hexbear, and I don’t get it. Can someone explain why most of Lemmy seems to absolutely hate them?
I see all over Lemmy, people really seem to hate hexbear, and I don’t get it. Can someone explain why most of Lemmy seems to absolutely hate them?
Hexbear is a leftist-unity instance of mostly socialists, communists, and anarchists.
Most people on Reddit are liberals (just look at how pro-israel Reddit is right now), so naturally alot of people migrating from Reddit didn’t like it.
This, and a lot of liberals are entirely unaware of anything left of social democrats, so they’re genuinely confused by anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism.
This results in democrats accusing HB of being trump supporters, conservatives accusing HB of being liberals, and both accusing them of being paid shills of foreign countries.
Huh, TIL that “liberals” doesn’t include socialists and communists. I always thought of “liberals” and “conservatives” as general terms for left and right.
What Exactly is Liberalism? (no, it’s not about being “woke”)
What is Socialism?
The Problem With Harm Reduction: Why Liberalism Won’t Solve Anything
Conservatives are conservatives because they’re completely politically illiterate lol; of course they won’t use terms like “liberals” and “socialists” correctly.
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That’s only true conversationally in America.
There was a similar use in the 17 and 1800s when conservatives were the upper nobility and liberals were the lower nobility and capitalists (this caused problems when the liberals, who used the working class to carry out their revolution, then turned on the working class when their own aims were achieved, since at that point, the interests of the lower nobility+capitalist classes diverged with the working class, which typically left the liberals unable to defend themselves from the forces of reaction. This happened at least 5 different times.).
Today though, conservatives are still liberal.
I’ll be honest, I’m irony poisoned enough to can’t tell if you’re joking or just an American.
But just in case you’re serious, I’ll give a real short crash course on the difference between the left and right - and I mean this is really low brow basic that would get me shit for vulgarizing it so much.
If you wish to abolish the capitalist economic mode of production and establish a socialist economic mode of production, you’re on the left.
If you do not wish to do that, you’re on the right. This is why we - communists - call everyone from social democrats to fascists “Right-ists”. They do not seek to abolish the current form of economic production, but preserve it. Ergo, why we call everyone liberals, for wanting to preserve the liberal market economy.
Thats the economic take. If we talk about personal freedom and societal values, you’ll end up with different categories, hence labels like “left-liberal” or “left-authoritarian” etc.
No, I’m not joking, my confusion stemmed from the fact that those who used those terms always seemed to mean them in the way I described. (Probably mostly Americans who grew up with the two party system)
In Germany - at least in my bubble - we don’t talk about “liberals” vs “conservatives”, the spectrum is more diverse.
Liberalism fundamentally has an incompatiblity with socialism and communism because it’s fubdamentally rooted in the rights of an individual to own land and/or the means of production, as well as supporting market economies.
This is in stark contrast to workers owning the means of production, or seizing private property for the greater good.
Liberals in other countries tend to be centre right, such as the Australian liberals or a fair amount of European liberals.
That’s just all the American regime allows. In reality both of your parties are right-wing and real politics is far broader.
I know, I’m German. Looks like I’ve mostly heard these terms used by Americans.
Yeah no from what I’ve heard, it’s just as bad in Germany, with Die Linke being controlled by social democrats. Which is weird considering East Germany is still in living memory and (I’d hope) your education covering how the nazis rose to power, since the split between liberals and communists is pretty important.
Wait, you’re saying “liberal”=“pro-israel”? Isn’t that more of a republican/conservative thing?
Republicans are liberals too, liberal simply means supporter of capitalism.
Though it’s commonly used in the US to exclusively refer to social democrats, social democracy is just a subset of liberalism.
That’s simply not true. Liberal means being open to other ideas and tolerant of people having other opinions.
Which just means “tolerating” the capitalist exploitation of workers.
It’s why liberals always passively “tolerate” the decay of capitalism into fascism as is what happened in Germany and Italy, and seems to be happening in the US.
Some issues cannot really be culturally divided by a binary political party system.
Yeah, fair. I think that’s why I found associating liberalism with being pro-israel weird.
Conservatives are liberals too, i.e they support private property and capitalism, even if western conservatives like calling anyone not far-right liberals.
The liberals that don’t support israel are left-leaning radlibs, and those are clearly not the majority of Reddit users as the last few months have made clear.
Maybe there happen to be a bunch of pro-israel liberals on Reddit, but I don’t think that means “liberal”=“pro-israel”.
I guess coming from Canada it’s a different perspective since we have the separate Liberal and Conservative parties skewing the definition, and the Liberals, while certainly being pro-capitalism, also support social justice, and are not exactly pro-israel right now.
Librerals are largely conservative.
a lot vs alot
Wait, Reddit is pro-Israel now? I haven’t been there in a while (to be honest, since before this topic escalated) but that surprises me
Default news subs (notably r/worldnews) are controlled by feds so they are at least artificially pro-Israel by just deleting anything remotely critical of it.
A few of the U.K. specific ones are as well. But then there are some subs pro Palestine.
To be clear, the reason people hate them is because they’re aggressively furry and beyond any measure of obnoxious. No matter what the subject of the thread is, they will make it about socialism/communism/anarchism and being a furry.
Let’s say they have no concept of what “conciliation” is
Aka they have no chill
No. Furries are not the problem about hexbear, their wild political takes combined with an often condescending tone are.
For some people it is, for some people it isn’t.
Have you explored why you hate furries? How do you feel about LGBT+ and neurodivergent people?
They’re all fine, and I have diagnosed neurodivergent people in my close friend circle. I’m about to hang out with him for 2 weeks. I don’t hate furries either, I just hate obnoxious people.
Socialist instance bringing up socialism 🤯
I didn’t bring it up, you did