• someguy3@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Rent apartments. Own houses.

    *Since some people really need every combination addressed: Rent/own apartments. Own houses.

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      11 months ago

      How do you handle situations where people want to live temporarily in houses? An example would be a traveling nurse that doesn’t want to be in an apartment building.

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          11 months ago

          I understand your sentiment, but it took all of a half second to think of one scenario that would cause problems in the proposed system.

          As frustrating as it is to hold off on a good-intentioned change, it is far more detrimental to charge headlong without considering the consequences. The systems that are in place now are there for a reason. Some of those reasons are greed and corruption, but others are because of they fulfill people’s needs. It would be stupid to build a new system to address the greed side without addressing the need side.

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            But if you can’t summarize the solution to a complex societal problem with a history to it into a single simple sentence that can be used as a punchy “hot take”, clearly you just don’t want a solution! /s

            Way too many people in the world who are more willing to believe that things suck because everyone’s too stupid to try the “obvious” solution, instead of the fact that most societal issues are icebergs of complication and causes.

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        May people prefer to rent houses over owning one. Many of them I speak to tell me they want nothing to do with house maintenance and upkeep and they prefer to rent so that they don’t have to think or worry about any of the repairs. They like being able to just call the property manager when the hot water stops working or when their kiddo accidentally breaks a window.

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          When the kids breaks a window, they still have to pay. They just don’t have to source it, which means they might not be getting the best deal.

          Plus, most landlords leave things till the last minute or make it such hard work for the tenant to report it, they don’t bother.

          The maintenance is built into the rent, so they’re already paying for it, just not getting the best deal and losing the option to do it how they want.

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            11 months ago

            Everything you are saying is true, and even with those facts noted, some people still prefer the convenience of renting and some like the carefree aspect of not having to be responsible for the upkeep.

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            11 months ago

            Why do you care so much how someone else chooses to live their life? Some people want to rent and it’s no one else’s business to make them do any different.

            If you want to own a house and a buy a maintenance contract go for it.

            I personally wouldn’t wish dealing with a home warranty company claim on my worst enemy. They are all scams geared to deny claims.

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      11 months ago

      Houses are pretty terrible for a multitude of factors:

      • urban sprawl
      • congestion
      • pollution
      • high cost public works
      • low income for public bodies doing those works
      • environmental erosion
      • flood protection

      We should be building apartments that everyone can own, live and be happy in. It shouldn’t be reserved for home owners.

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          11 months ago

          Literally the first image in that page is a picture of Singapores public housing, and a claim that they have the highest home ownership rates in the world.

          It’s nearly as if public housing can work?

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            11 months ago

            Public housing can work but not without addressing poverty. Using Singapore, which has the death penalty for drug use isn’t comparable.

            Otherwise it only makes it worse by concentrating poverty into a ghetto.

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              11 months ago

              Using Singapore, which has the death penalty for drug use isn’t comparable.

              I need you to draw a clear through line to why that’s related to public housing policy in any given country.

              I’m also gonna like, cite the soviet bloc style apartments, or china’s rapid urbanization in around the same time period that the US decided to make public housing be a thing. I know for the soviet lunchboxes, you had your standard complaints of, oh, long wait lists, subpar build quality, yadda yadda, and then of course towards the beginning of the program you had a large issue with people who had previously been unindustrialized farmers basically just not knowing how to live in an apartment, shit like having your pigs stay indoors and stuff like that. I think similar issues were/are probably a part of chinese publicly subsidized housing complexes. I think barcelona’s superblocks are also publicly subsidized but I don’t know to what extent, and they seem to be working out pretty good. Now those are all places that provide publicly subsidized housing and have provided it to those who were pretty impoverished at the time. They also had/have (again idk barcelona don’t even know why I brought it up) work programs and shit, which we used to have in america, so that might contribute to your point more, but I still think, you know, it is bad to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The projects were majorly flawed, but they are probably preferable to the whole like. rust belt suburban crime shit. I dunno, realistically it doesn’t really matter what context an apartheid ghetto scenario is happening in, because it’s going to have basically the same consequences on everyone involved.

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                I need you to draw a clear through line to why that’s related to public housing policy in any given country.

                Drug use is rampant among the poor because it provides escape for some and profit for others. But it is destructive to communities creating greater poverty.

                Singapore has draconian crime laws where you will be whipped for graffiti and executed for drug use. It creates a safer culture but at what cost?

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        11 months ago

        Houses are pretty great for a few factors

        • Not sharing a wall with a neighbor
        • being able to be louder in general
        • Not being woken up by neighbors
        • Not getting your home infested with bugs because of having a nasty neighbor
        • No loud honking at night
        • Not having your door accidentally knocked on to ask if your apartment neighbor is home when they’re not answering their door
        • Parking in your own garage
        • Having a yard for your dog/kids to play in

        Apartments fucking suck in so many ways. I get that they’re pretty handy in City Skylines where everyone bases their urban planning experience from but there is a reason people prefer to live in house and it’s because it gives you separation from other people in a way apartments cannot.