• ceenote@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    You seem to be under the impression that people and corporations get equal treatment under the law.

    • Mr Fish@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      You seem to be under the impression that they should. At what point does one person’s right to get richer override other people’s right to have a decent life?

  • squidspinachfootball@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    Frankly this catch phrase never made any sense to me, from a logical point of view.

    It assumes that:

    1. If buying = owning then pirating* = stealing, because you own it without buying.

    2. And if buying =/= owning then pirating =/= stealing, because you can’t own it otherwise.

    But the justification in the second statement is completely irrelevant to the first statement. You still own it without buying. It’s still stealing.

    UNLESS - we examine what “stealing” is. This is where the arguments about being in a digital space vs. a physical space comes in. Where the question is raised: Is making an exact copy really “stealing”? Or, consider what is being “stolen”? The original item? The idea? We need to think about this more.

    But it’s here the argument should be made and here the debate should be. That’s where “pirates” have a chance of winning. Let’s get rid of this flawed, easily repeatable, but fundamentally incorrect catch phrase and come up with a better one already. One that makes sense.

    *(Nevermind that most of you technically aren’t even pirating, you’re just downloading the fruits of someone else that pirated.)

  • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Now… Wait.

    Is the argument here that something must be owned to be stolen? I don’t think ownership is contested, just who is the owner. Or is the argument that pirating also isn’t owning… Or… What? Just tit for tat and it looks like the thoughts should be related somehow? I’m all for sailing the high seas and for right to repair / software ownership, but the two concepts are independent as far as I can see.

    Idk, if I’m going to try to reproduce this mental gymnastics I should really stretch first: I don’t want to pull something and end up a sovcit.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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      11 months ago

      They just don’t want to consider that it’s possible to steal from the people who made the game even if paying for it doesn’t guarantee you’ll own it forever.

      • uis@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        The copyright troll known as “publisher” just will pocket all money you think you paid to people who made the game.

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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          11 months ago

          Option one: pay for game, some money goes to publisher, some goes to creators

          Option two: pirate game, no money goes to anyone

          Which one helps the creators?

          • BlanketsWithSmallpox@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            11 months ago

            Option three: Donate to creator or buy something directly from them to help offset the cost of pirating.

            Pirates: Nah I’m good fam. I just want free shit because I’m too poor and don’t get paid enough.

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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              11 months ago

              A donation or purchasing something else doesn’t legally or morally entitle you to owning an unrelated product made by the creator though…

              • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
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                11 months ago

                it’s immoral to prevent people from sharing tools or stories or songs or skills. i’m entitled to enjoy whatever someone wants to share with me.

                • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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                  11 months ago

                  No you’re not if it’s infringing on someone’s copyright and you would agree with me if you ever created something you were trying to sell to make a living.

  • TAYRN@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Buying something is owning. That has never changed.

    You don’t purchase digital goods. You buy a license to use them, under the conditions you agreed to. Piracy explicitly breaks those conditions 99.9% of the time.

    So no, it isn’t stealing. It’s just plainly illegal. And it hurts everyone from the original artist to the multi-billion dollar company that distributes it. Whether you think that is immoral or not is up to you.

    • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
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      11 months ago

      We have another one.

      Slavery used to be legal. So it was okay?

      Right now „selling“ stuff and saying its just a license you fool is legal so it is okay?

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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        11 months ago

        What’s funny about your bad equivalency is that pirating is treating the people who created the content as slaves since you’re enjoying the fruit of their labour without compensating them.