Here is to barge of negative votes but why linux sucks
A user has to use terminals for lot of cases when they have to install softwares
There is no single way to add program to startup on different distors, even in some distros you have to go terminal route
Its 2024 nobody wants to use terminals like Olsen days , while using os at fullest not possible in Linux
A user who wants to do something can/will cone across rabbit hole. You want to install xyz , then can’t run cause it has depend view, you installed those but there are this thing missing , that thing missing…
I only care about Minecraft, if you search if moneycraft runs on Linux , third results shows you rabbit hole , second is question which distro can’t run Minecraft… REPEAT I AND DOZENS OF US , DONT CARE ABOUT STEAM AT ALL.
6.i plug in HDD it’s availablity to me throught apps across anything , I don’t have to MOUNT -A-B-C xyz anywhere at all
I will paste a full reply from another thread
Till then linux dudebros linux does not work for ordinary users no matter what market share it has .
Courtesy user :bearoftime
Lol, right. Linux ain’t even close to replacing windows - just look at the gaming issues that persist, or other compatibility issues.
It’s great for specific use-case scenarios, but I’m not dealing with supporting friends and family when stuff doesn’t work because I told them to install a Linux distro.
Besides, business doesn’t have this issue - it’s only on home (not Pro) installs, because for business we do all sorts of system management that would preclude this, even is MS tried to push it.
This just reflects how MS sees home users - there’s no profit there (never has been, it’s always been about getting people used to Windows at home, to capture the audience).
No one in my family is allowed to use Windows Home versions. They either buy pro when they get a new computer, or I get it for them.
My standard response to “just go Linux” :
I keep having to say this, as much as I like Linux for certain things, as a desktop it’s still no competition to Windows, even with this awful shit going on.
As some background - I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I’d stuck with Cobol).
I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead - as in battery at zero, won’t even boot. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery (even then, to really kill it you have to boot to BIOS and let it sit, Windows will not let a battery get to zero).
There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.
There are many reasons why Linux doesn’t compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.
Now let’s look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that’s just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. The devs of open office refuse to support tables, saying “you should manage data in a proper database app”. No, I’m not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That’s just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn’t realistically shareable with other people. I do this several times a day in excel.
Now there’s that print monitor that’s on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?
Networking… Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn’t say “save creds”? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.
Oh, you have a wireless Logitech mouse? Linux won’t even recognize it. You have to search for a solution and go find a download that makes it work. My brand new wireless mouse works on any version of windows since 2000, at the least, and would probably work on Win95.
Someone else said it better than me:
Every time I’ve installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it’s gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn’t look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works… only it doesn’t save my preferences.
So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically… but that doesn’t work, so now I can’t boot… so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that… then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution… wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it’s been four hours, it’s 3:00am and I’m like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.
And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren’t supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can’t wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?
I just can’t do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I’ve loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.
I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.
Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM’s on Linux (Proxmox) because that’s better than running Linux VM’s of a Windows server.
Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment.
Linux doesn’t even use a common shell (which is a good thing in it’s own way), and that’s a massive barrier for users.
If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would’ve had a chance to beat MS, even then it would’ve required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.
These are what MS did in the 1980’s to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.
All this without considering the systems management requirements of even an SMB with perhaps a dozen users (let alone an enterprise with tens of thousands).
Yeah I also didn’t understand the take about Minecraft.
It’s literally installed the same way as in Windows. Being a Java game, it doesn’t care at all, you can run it on whatever. And Java itself is installed just the same.
I honestly think terminal simplifies a lot of things. It’s quick to pick up on the most common commands and ends up being way faster and easier than installing an executable. Every time I find out something isn’t available on Homebrew, I just GAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
I agree. I mean I am biased as I’m a software dev, but at my company we use Windows so not too much terminal work, but I prefer it, particularly given that the web browser to find things is becoming more difficult with SEO shit.
Who wouldn’t want to type one line to install something vs clicking loads of buttons and downloading a file, then opening the file, then following all the prompts etc.
Even more so if you’re installing Linux then surely you’re more on the tech savvy side or at least e have a desire to be.
Nah, their right… For people that can see the matrix (If you pardon the analogy) its fine and preferable to a desktop. However, to most people if it can be done from the desktop or menus it may as well not exist. If you try and explain it their eyes glaze over, they dont eant to learn something new, they just want to stare at the ass of the woman in the red dress…
Im expirenced enough to live in a terminal because I host servers locally and Im a fairly recent convertee to full-time Linux desktop for gaming. Ive been shouting from the roof tops that its good enough now, to the people in my immediate meat space it falls of deaf ears, the privacy trainwreck that is windows and the evils of the modern internet are not a concern to them. So they dont feel any need to change things…
Not really a lot of cases. It only appears that way because the terminal is just efficient so people generally tend to use it over the alternative. Very rarely, if at all, would the average user need to use the terminal at this point. Assuming the end user isn’t using a more advanced distro like Arch or Gentoo.
There’s plenty of ways to achieve that. It largely depends on the desktop env. But the most common ones make it very easy. Though their settings.
Sounds like the end users problem more than Linux’s problem. They don’t have to use the terminal. But a lot of FUD around the subject makes it out like there’s a requirement to use it.
How common is this issue? Package managers handle dependencies automatically so you don’t have issues with needing to install X to install Y to install Z. You just install Z. X and Y are pulled in automatically.
Again that’s the end users issue if they’re incapable of figuring out how to search their issue or how to decide which source is useful to them or not. Installing MC is painfully easy on just about any distro. Just install prism launcher. Every distro should be able to run Minecraft because the game is written in Java. Java’s whole thing is that its code is portable/not platform specific.
Yeah that’s an issue. It should be better than it is. But it’s also not too hard to handle.
This isn’t dependent on distro, but your DE, which determines the entire UI. It’s like complaining the settings menu isn’t consistent between Google’s Android and Samsung’s Android. For reference, under Gnome, you have to install Gnome Tweaks, then just open that and go to Startup Applications in the sidebar.
Heavily depends on what you want to do. Many use cases (such as Minecraft) don’t really need the terminal at all.
Yeah, that’s not at all unique to Linux though
Minecraft Java is officially available on Linux, and should be available in your software manager. Minecraft bedrock is not available officially, but a program called Minecraft Bedrock Launcher is available that will let you run the Android version of the game.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean, but media should be available to mount in the side bar of your file manager
A user has to use terminals for lot of cases when they have to install softwares
Did you ever used the winget/Chocolatey in Windows? Is fucking awesome, so much better than downloading random .exe on google, clicking next 5 times and unchecking the option to install the antivirus bundled with the program.
There is no single way to add program to startup on different distors, even in some distros you have to go terminal route
??, Tweaks on Gnome and KDE Settings program.
I only care about Minecraft, if you search if moneycraft runs on Linux.
Prism launcher flatpak, minecraft running with 5 seconds and the mod support/profiles is fucking dope.
.i plug in HDD it’s availablity to me throught apps across anything , I don’t have to MOUNT -A-B-C xyz anywhere at all
Ok this one sucks, took me quite some time to understand and setup for the first time
Nope, I’ve installed Linux Mint for multiple people, several different apps, never touched the terminal. I even updated the kernel all through the GUI.
Basically the same on all the most popular distros. Searching “startup” or “autostart” in KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, and Gnome DEs all bring up an easy GUI app for getting programs to start automatically.
Same as #1. You don’t need to use the terminal to install most software, especially not anything popular. And guess what, you need the terminal to do hardcore stuff on Windows too. I know because I’ve worked for years in IT and have to use the Windows terminal for all kinds of random stuff, I literally had to use Powershell today.
This happens in Windows too. Just ask me how many times I’ve had to install old .NET frameworks or other random drivers/3rd party software to get some piece of software/hardware to work on Windows. Something that I thought would be a 10 minute install turns into an hour because of random shit not working right.
Bruh, I play Minecraft all the time. Hundreds and hundreds of hours. It’s one of the easiest games to play on Linux. And I play with tons of mods, texture packs, and shaders. I’ve been playing Minecraft on multiple Linux distros for 4 years, it runs great.
All major distros auto-mount external drives. I have a whole bag of thumb drives, external HDDs, and SSDs that I use in my day job. Never had a problem with them not being picked up and mounted by any of the Linux systems I work on.
I mean, don’t use it I guess, but stop spreading these obviously false claims, man. Have fun getting all your personal data farmed by a multi trillion dollar megacorp and fed into AI engines to churn out infinite heaps of sludge. Oh yeah, and all the endless popup ads in an OS that you already paid for…
No you don’t need the terminal in most distros meant for desktop use to install software. Your distro will have a GUI app store, then flatpak and snap which are the most common software repositories after your distro’s default also have GUI. You can use the terminal because it is literally faster, you don’t have to if you lack cognitive ability to write apt install gimp or some shit.
1,2, and 3, all boil down to “Terminal.” You could have condensed those lol. And get good dude the terminal is ridiculously easy and powerful, you can become proficient enough in an afternoon for all the copy/pasting from stack overflow you may need.
4, Ooohhh you haven’t tried any distro since 2006? Dependencies are managed by your package manager for you, unless you’re using Slackware and even then I think they have stuff for that now (maybe some nice person will reply with that answer because I actually want to try slackware, but fuck managing my own dependancies.)
5, Oh you were born the same year as the last linux distro you tried? Wild.
6, and we’re back to “I’ve never even heard of Gnome or KDE but they definitely can’t do this thing they’ve been able to do for 20yr.” Bruh I mount externals from the file browser or the taskbar every day what the hell are you talking about? I’m gonna do it again in about 4hrs when I get home because all my totally not pirated media is on there.
Dude if you’re gonna complain about linux at least try it first, this list reads like something some windows fanboy told you in the XP or Vista days ffs.
So don’t use Linux I guess? Just because your some old guy who thinks they know everything doesn’t mean that Linux isn’t good for people who didn’t grow up worshipping Microsoft.
Not to say Linux is issue free but it is certainly better than it was.
Here is to barge of negative votes but why linux sucks
A user has to use terminals for lot of cases when they have to install softwares
There is no single way to add program to startup on different distors, even in some distros you have to go terminal route
Its 2024 nobody wants to use terminals like Olsen days , while using os at fullest not possible in Linux
A user who wants to do something can/will cone across rabbit hole. You want to install xyz , then can’t run cause it has depend view, you installed those but there are this thing missing , that thing missing…
I only care about Minecraft, if you search if moneycraft runs on Linux , third results shows you rabbit hole , second is question which distro can’t run Minecraft… REPEAT I AND DOZENS OF US , DONT CARE ABOUT STEAM AT ALL.
6.i plug in HDD it’s availablity to me throught apps across anything , I don’t have to MOUNT -A-B-C xyz anywhere at all
I will paste a full reply from another thread Till then linux dudebros linux does not work for ordinary users no matter what market share it has .
Courtesy user :bearoftime Lol, right. Linux ain’t even close to replacing windows - just look at the gaming issues that persist, or other compatibility issues.
It’s great for specific use-case scenarios, but I’m not dealing with supporting friends and family when stuff doesn’t work because I told them to install a Linux distro.
Besides, business doesn’t have this issue - it’s only on home (not Pro) installs, because for business we do all sorts of system management that would preclude this, even is MS tried to push it.
This just reflects how MS sees home users - there’s no profit there (never has been, it’s always been about getting people used to Windows at home, to capture the audience).
No one in my family is allowed to use Windows Home versions. They either buy pro when they get a new computer, or I get it for them.
My standard response to “just go Linux” :
I keep having to say this, as much as I like Linux for certain things, as a desktop it’s still no competition to Windows, even with this awful shit going on.
As some background - I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I’d stuck with Cobol).
I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead - as in battery at zero, won’t even boot. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery (even then, to really kill it you have to boot to BIOS and let it sit, Windows will not let a battery get to zero).
There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.
There are many reasons why Linux doesn’t compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.
Now let’s look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that’s just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. The devs of open office refuse to support tables, saying “you should manage data in a proper database app”. No, I’m not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That’s just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn’t realistically shareable with other people. I do this several times a day in excel.
Now there’s that print monitor that’s on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?
Networking… Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn’t say “save creds”? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.
Oh, you have a wireless Logitech mouse? Linux won’t even recognize it. You have to search for a solution and go find a download that makes it work. My brand new wireless mouse works on any version of windows since 2000, at the least, and would probably work on Win95.
Someone else said it better than me:
Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM’s on Linux (Proxmox) because that’s better than running Linux VM’s of a Windows server.
Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment.
Linux doesn’t even use a common shell (which is a good thing in it’s own way), and that’s a massive barrier for users.
If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would’ve had a chance to beat MS, even then it would’ve required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.
These are what MS did in the 1980’s to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.
All this without considering the systems management requirements of even an SMB with perhaps a dozen users (let alone an enterprise with tens of thousands).
What’s wrong with the Terminal? It’s all I used on Mac. I hate the windows command prompt.
Minecraft Java runs awesome on Linux. The only Minecraft version that matters.
Yeah I also didn’t understand the take about Minecraft. It’s literally installed the same way as in Windows. Being a Java game, it doesn’t care at all, you can run it on whatever. And Java itself is installed just the same.
It even has a dedicated installer coming from mojang.
That’s only true for the Java edition, some people play the Bedrock edition instead tho - and even then, that can still be run on Linux lol
Terminal or any command line is not user friendly.
It may be poweruser friendly, but that is only a sliver of users.
The rest of the users can use an iPad or Chrome OS. Windows isn’t this magical thing that makes everything work.
I honestly think terminal simplifies a lot of things. It’s quick to pick up on the most common commands and ends up being way faster and easier than installing an executable. Every time I find out something isn’t available on Homebrew, I just GAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
I agree. I mean I am biased as I’m a software dev, but at my company we use Windows so not too much terminal work, but I prefer it, particularly given that the web browser to find things is becoming more difficult with SEO shit.
Who wouldn’t want to type one line to install something vs clicking loads of buttons and downloading a file, then opening the file, then following all the prompts etc.
Even more so if you’re installing Linux then surely you’re more on the tech savvy side or at least e have a desire to be.
I think your issue with Linux and the terminal might be your horrid grip on the written language and not a Linux problem
You mean you don’t refer to the past as the “Olsen” days?
Nah, their right… For people that can see the matrix (If you pardon the analogy) its fine and preferable to a desktop. However, to most people if it can be done from the desktop or menus it may as well not exist. If you try and explain it their eyes glaze over, they dont eant to learn something new, they just want to stare at the ass of the woman in the red dress…
Im expirenced enough to live in a terminal because I host servers locally and Im a fairly recent convertee to full-time Linux desktop for gaming. Ive been shouting from the roof tops that its good enough now, to the people in my immediate meat space it falls of deaf ears, the privacy trainwreck that is windows and the evils of the modern internet are not a concern to them. So they dont feel any need to change things…
Not really a lot of cases. It only appears that way because the terminal is just efficient so people generally tend to use it over the alternative. Very rarely, if at all, would the average user need to use the terminal at this point. Assuming the end user isn’t using a more advanced distro like Arch or Gentoo.
There’s plenty of ways to achieve that. It largely depends on the desktop env. But the most common ones make it very easy. Though their settings.
Sounds like the end users problem more than Linux’s problem. They don’t have to use the terminal. But a lot of FUD around the subject makes it out like there’s a requirement to use it.
How common is this issue? Package managers handle dependencies automatically so you don’t have issues with needing to install X to install Y to install Z. You just install Z. X and Y are pulled in automatically.
Again that’s the end users issue if they’re incapable of figuring out how to search their issue or how to decide which source is useful to them or not. Installing MC is painfully easy on just about any distro. Just install prism launcher. Every distro should be able to run Minecraft because the game is written in Java. Java’s whole thing is that its code is portable/not platform specific.
Yeah that’s an issue. It should be better than it is. But it’s also not too hard to handle.
Not really, just use your DE’s software manager.
This isn’t dependent on distro, but your DE, which determines the entire UI. It’s like complaining the settings menu isn’t consistent between Google’s Android and Samsung’s Android. For reference, under Gnome, you have to install Gnome Tweaks, then just open that and go to Startup Applications in the sidebar.
Heavily depends on what you want to do. Many use cases (such as Minecraft) don’t really need the terminal at all.
Yeah, that’s not at all unique to Linux though
Minecraft Java is officially available on Linux, and should be available in your software manager. Minecraft bedrock is not available officially, but a program called Minecraft Bedrock Launcher is available that will let you run the Android version of the game.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean, but media should be available to mount in the side bar of your file manager
Did you ever used the winget/Chocolatey in Windows? Is fucking awesome, so much better than downloading random .exe on google, clicking next 5 times and unchecking the option to install the antivirus bundled with the program.
??, Tweaks on Gnome and KDE Settings program.
Prism launcher flatpak, minecraft running with 5 seconds and the mod support/profiles is fucking dope.
Ok this one sucks, took me quite some time to understand and setup for the first time
You’re just wrong on literally every point dude.
I mean, don’t use it I guess, but stop spreading these obviously false claims, man. Have fun getting all your personal data farmed by a multi trillion dollar megacorp and fed into AI engines to churn out infinite heaps of sludge. Oh yeah, and all the endless popup ads in an OS that you already paid for…
No you don’t need the terminal in most distros meant for desktop use to install software. Your distro will have a GUI app store, then flatpak and snap which are the most common software repositories after your distro’s default also have GUI. You can use the terminal because it is literally faster, you don’t have to if you lack cognitive ability to write apt install gimp or some shit.
1,2, and 3, all boil down to “Terminal.” You could have condensed those lol. And get good dude the terminal is ridiculously easy and powerful, you can become proficient enough in an afternoon for all the copy/pasting from stack overflow you may need.
4, Ooohhh you haven’t tried any distro since 2006? Dependencies are managed by your package manager for you, unless you’re using Slackware and even then I think they have stuff for that now (maybe some nice person will reply with that answer because I actually want to try slackware, but fuck managing my own dependancies.)
5, Oh you were born the same year as the last linux distro you tried? Wild.
6, and we’re back to “I’ve never even heard of Gnome or KDE but they definitely can’t do this thing they’ve been able to do for 20yr.” Bruh I mount externals from the file browser or the taskbar every day what the hell are you talking about? I’m gonna do it again in about 4hrs when I get home because all my totally not pirated media is on there.
Dude if you’re gonna complain about linux at least try it first, this list reads like something some windows fanboy told you in the XP or Vista days ffs.
So don’t use Linux I guess? Just because your some old guy who thinks they know everything doesn’t mean that Linux isn’t good for people who didn’t grow up worshipping Microsoft.
Not to say Linux is issue free but it is certainly better than it was.