Bonus question: what email inbox client do you use?
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Zoho, because it’s email server is free to use for custom domain adresses
Proton for personal email. Not immediately needing to escape but once my free email runs out of storage I plan to switch to something else because of the concerns raised by the incident with the French climate activist.
IIRC they warn people not to use recovery emails if they’re concerned about leaking information, idk why though
I use Gmail and the client I use is the browser along with the Gmail app on Android. … Yeah, I know, not a very interesting or fun answer lol.
Tuta, wouldn’t really recommend it since I can’t use it with Thunderbird or as an SMTP server
I tried Tuta but it felt a bit clumsy. Proton feels like it has a better UX.
Proton, yes, thunderbird
Ionos.
Too lazy to selfhost. Also the implications of self hosting and securing email is too cumbersome to sleep well at night.
But I do self host non-important to my living at home.Edit:
Inbox: Outlook. Tried eM-Client but it was worse than Outlook (around 2018 or 19)self hosted. postfix + dovecot. android email app, thunderbird, or alpine from the cli.
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I use gmail and my own domain with uninbox. The latter is a quite new FOSS email front/backend, but its still very new and lacks essential features.
If I’d make the switch, it would probably be to tutanota.
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Protonmail, it’s fantastic. Sleek design, solid feature set, integrates with Thunderbird if you want to use that.
I used to pay for Gmail, then I used Proton Mail about a year, and I’ve been using Fastmail for the last couple of years, which I recommend. I don’t know of anything that’s as feature-rich and easy to use as Fastmail. You may not be interested in all those fancy features, though.
I use MacOS/iOS Mail clients, but also Thunderbird as I’m trying to wean myself off of Apple’s ecosystem and onto Linux/FOSS.
+1 for fastmail… it’s one of those products that isn’t trying to trick you… you pay for it, and it’s just a solid product that tries to be the best at what it is…
it’ll let you have as many domains and aliases as you like, including wildcards for email (and lets you reply/send appropriately using any of those aliases)
it’ll let you pull all your calendars and push events into a single one of your choosing - it doesn’t have to be theirs
i could probably replicate some of what it does with my home server, but it’s really nice that i don’t have to
I really want to move my domain from Google to Proton, but family accounts at Proton are so dang expensive. Fastmail is far cheaper than Google, so that looks like it might be a really good option.
yeah i have my single email account setup with 5 different domains and a multitude of different aliases - including *@auto.<mydomains> so you can sign up for throwaway service@auto.mydomain and nobody knows that it’s a throwaway so it never gets blocked by services (and the + trick in emails is well known by people doing nefarious things with email - they’ll automatically strip the wildcard part out so it can’t be traced)
Does it have good spam filtering like Gmail?
Yep! It’s decent
I pay for a Google workspace account, but I’ve been thinking about self hosting. I’ve had my eye on mailcow for a bit, does anyone recommend?
ProtonMail. Works great for the most part.
Except their desktop “app”, which is total shit. It’s just a webview in an electron framework. If I wanted to keep a webview, I’d just keep a tab open in my browser. Or a separate browser window if I wanted to keep it separate.
If you use the paid version of proton you can use basically any third party client (I use thunderbird)
I am aware. But I feel like just a reasonable client shouldn’t necessarily be considered a premium feature.
I’ve hosted my Mail with them for over a year, still have them as my backup. I wouldn’t really recommend them, as they don’t adhere to the standard protocols which infuriates me. As a result, you can only use a proper email client on PC with the back they call bridge, you cannot use a proper client on phones, forget syncing of calendar and contacts.
There is more, especially for the non-mail products.
as they don’t adhere to the standard protocols
To what standards protocols do you refer? (I’m honestly asking; I’m not very knowledgeable about email architectures.)
As a result, you can only use a proper email client on PC with the back they call bridge
I thought that is kind of required simply due to the nature of their email service being end-to-end encrypted and with the decryption key being stored locally only.
Am I misunderstanding something?
I meant IMAP, SMTP, POP3. It’s true that they do some encryption shenanigans, but firstly I don’t really see the benefit over just using encrypted SMTP and encrypted IMAP, and secondly we already have PGP for that, IMO it would be better if they made that more accessible.
Some people might not be bothered by this, but it bothers me a lot. Which is why I left. The reduction of usability is not tolerable.
Besides that, they also don’t support CalDAV and CardDAV (syncing of contacts and calendar), which is something that groupware absolutely needs to be viable for me.
You might disagree or not care, if so, good for you, there is definitely much worse than proton.
shenanigans
To call it “shenanigans” IMO doesn’t give it due credit.
As for the PGP thing, I’ve been with ProtonMail since they were in beta way back in 2013-ish and one of their founding goals was to provide encryption that was accessible to even casual users.
And like it or not, PGP is a thing that is quite confusing to most people, assuming they even know what it is.
Besides that, they also don’t support CalDAV and CardDAV (syncing of contacts and calendar), which is something that groupware absolutely needs to be viable for me.
Couldn’t agree more. They really need to extend Bridge to support calendar sync.
If bridge could have the DAVs and we could host it on a non localhost IP, it would be a compromise I could live with. As it is now, you’d have to install it in any VM you have, and of course it also doesn’t run on phones.
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You’re not. The whole point is encryption so the bridge is a must.
Purely Mail, yes; so long as you’re comfortable with one guy running the service.
Thunderbird for desktop and K-9 for Andriod. Only because they were the most recommended and completely fit my needs.
Haven’t had any issues with purely mail myself. I really like it
Purely Mail has been a good experience for me so far.
