• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    I will be voting Green regardless. As far as I’m concerned Harris was the 2nd or 3rd most conservative candidate in the 2020 Democrat primaries out of ±14 candidates. She was only in front of Bloomberg and maybe Biden on the spectrum. Her replacing Biden was always a very real possibility for anyone that actually understands U.S. government & politics as well as the whole ‘aging-process.’

    -I don’t expect to win but I’d rather vote for who I want and lose than vote for who I don’t want and win.

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      You can’t lose a vote you aren’t even in the running for. That’s like writing in Charlie Brown and then saying you lost the vote. You didn’t; you just didn’t cast a meaningful vote for President. You’re changing nothing. You’re not moving the Overton window even a hair to the left. You’re just sitting on the sidelines.

      But you know if you give zero shits about the presidency and just want to vote in local races, that’s fair, I suppose.

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        Voting isn’t only about winning it’s about making your voice heard. In hard Blue or Red states an individual vote won’t likely make a difference. If a 3rd party got enough of the vote Republicans and Democrats would be scrambling over each other to make their party platform more palatable to that 3rd party.

        More power to them beats not voting.

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          What on earth would lead you to believe I’m crying? You’re irrelevant by your own account. I’ll worry way more about people who actually give a damn.

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      I don’t expect to win but I’d rather vote for who I want and lose than vote for who I don’t want and win.

      What about people who don’t have that luxury, who may literally not make it to the end of a second Trump administration with their life undestroyed by it? Hispanic immigrants are the most obvious candidates, although honestly it could expand to encompass quite a few people.

      Why are you not worried about Trump ending the democratic machinery that you might use to vote in a Green candidate in the future? Trump seems like just as big a disaster for third-party democracy as he does for two-party democracy.

      Do you agree with Stein about disbanding NATO? Is that one of those things you would rather vote for and lose than etc etc? I actually think most of her platform looks excellent if it could be pulled off, but that one is a little bit of a random red flag in the mixture.

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        11 months ago

        If the only real choice is between a “fascist” that will end Democracy and somebody who doesn’t represent me, then you can’t really argue that we live in a Democracy and then there is nothing to defend.

        If it’s your fellow people you are concerned about protecting, then I’d advise you to check your candidate’s policy because the Green’s Policy has a way stronger humanitarian bend to it. -In fact, I’d also like to direct you to the Democrats recently proposed Immigration bill if you’re worried about protecting the Hispanic and immigrant population

        I’m Indifferent to Nato considering it’s such a huge financial sacrifice the people of our country are making to perpetuate a military industrial machine that kills hundreds of thousands while also disproportionately protecting countries that are not our own. perhaps those countries should take the mantle and pay to support themselves as the ‘World Police.’ If we cut our military budget by 50% we still have the second largest military in the world. -We still don’t have a publicly funded Healthcare option and I’m suppose to care about sustaining NATO? No, that’s not a high priority to me.

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          11 months ago

          Interesting

          How about Navalny? Also what’s your take on the Venezuelan election?

          I’m not asking that implying that the answer will be any particular type of way, just curious what you think about those issues.

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            11 months ago

            Outlook not so good for Navalny long-term, regardless. Perhaps Germany, UK, France should spend more of their own budget to wind up military production to help their own neighbor. We need to stay The f*** out of Central & South American Politics full-stop.