I will be voting Green regardless. As far as I’m concerned Harris was the 2nd or 3rd most conservative candidate in the 2020 Democrat primaries out of ±14 candidates. She was only in front of Bloomberg and maybe Biden on the spectrum. Her replacing Biden was always a very real possibility for anyone that actually understands U.S. government & politics as well as the whole ‘aging-process.’
-I don’t expect to win but I’d rather vote for who I want and lose than vote for who I don’t want and win.
You can’t lose a vote you aren’t even in the running for. That’s like writing in Charlie Brown and then saying you lost the vote. You didn’t; you just didn’t cast a meaningful vote for President. You’re changing nothing. You’re not moving the Overton window even a hair to the left. You’re just sitting on the sidelines.
But you know if you give zero shits about the presidency and just want to vote in local races, that’s fair, I suppose.
Voting isn’t only about winning it’s about making your voice heard. In hard Blue or Red states an individual vote won’t likely make a difference. If a 3rd party got enough of the vote Republicans and Democrats would be scrambling over each other to make their party platform more palatable to that 3rd party.
More power to them beats not voting.
Cry more.
What on earth would lead you to believe I’m crying? You’re irrelevant by your own account. I’ll worry way more about people who actually give a damn.
I don’t expect to win but I’d rather vote for who I want and lose than vote for who I don’t want and win.
What about people who don’t have that luxury, who may literally not make it to the end of a second Trump administration with their life undestroyed by it? Hispanic immigrants are the most obvious candidates, although honestly it could expand to encompass quite a few people.
Why are you not worried about Trump ending the democratic machinery that you might use to vote in a Green candidate in the future? Trump seems like just as big a disaster for third-party democracy as he does for two-party democracy.
Do you agree with Stein about disbanding NATO? Is that one of those things you would rather vote for and lose than etc etc? I actually think most of her platform looks excellent if it could be pulled off, but that one is a little bit of a random red flag in the mixture.
If the only real choice is between a “fascist” that will end Democracy and somebody who doesn’t represent me, then you can’t really argue that we live in a Democracy and then there is nothing to defend.
If it’s your fellow people you are concerned about protecting, then I’d advise you to check your candidate’s policy because the Green’s Policy has a way stronger humanitarian bend to it. -In fact, I’d also like to direct you to the Democrats recently proposed Immigration bill if you’re worried about protecting the Hispanic and immigrant population
I’m Indifferent to Nato considering it’s such a huge financial sacrifice the people of our country are making to perpetuate a military industrial machine that kills hundreds of thousands while also disproportionately protecting countries that are not our own. perhaps those countries should take the mantle and pay to support themselves as the ‘World Police.’ If we cut our military budget by 50% we still have the second largest military in the world. -We still don’t have a publicly funded Healthcare option and I’m suppose to care about sustaining NATO? No, that’s not a high priority to me.
Interesting
How about Navalny? Also what’s your take on the Venezuelan election?
I’m not asking that implying that the answer will be any particular type of way, just curious what you think about those issues.
Outlook not so good for Navalny long-term, regardless. Perhaps Germany, UK, France should spend more of their own budget to wind up military production to help their own neighbor. We need to stay The f*** out of Central & South American Politics full-stop.
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I’m on the fence between Harris or to abstain. My opinion is that the Democrats are not listening to the people, and by holding hands with the international criminals in Israel, they are alienating progressives massively (no doubt her VP pick is an attempt to win them over). 76 years of pro-Israel policy, and what has it done?
When it comes to economy, Harris is a neoliberal, and rather conservative economically, which I disagree with.
I didn’t really care who she picked to begin with. There are other people who would excite me more, but nothing excites me like the idea of beating Trump and then sending him to prison.
Honest question - what’s the mechanism to do that?
Well, first we beat him at the polls, then we finish all the prosecutions. If we don’t beat him, the prosecutions are going to be moot. The court cases will be dropped.
I understand that, what’s he done specifically that carries a prison sentence? I’m not disagreeing with you, but I’m unaware of a case waiting on a trigger that doesn’t end up in just a fine.
Just saying “she’ll find a reason to lock him up” is a terrible take. That’s what MAGA wants to do to their political opponents. It’s also what people mean when we say ACAB.
Uh, stolen top secret documents and stored them by the shitter at mar-a-fucko?
There’s the Georgia election interference case - I don’t know what the potential penalties there are, but they can only delay that one until after the election. And Jan 6. There is the fraud sentencing in NY which, you are correct will likely not result in prison time since he’s a first time offender (lol).
There are two or three pending cases about fake electors where he is an unindicted co-conspirator which could potentially be amended to include him. Apparently now a potential bribery case if that hasn’t already been completely scuttled.
I mean shit the guy has done a fuck ton of crime. He’s already a felon, which means the kid gloves can come off for future sentencing.
I don’t think any of the cases are a slam dunk victory and then prison, but there are an awful lot of options.
Not voting, because not my candidate.
(for context i dont live in US)
(for context i dont live in US)
The only valid reason to disengage from US politics lol
It being a phony charade is another important one.
… so its treason then? Worst American ever… /s
They could have run the actual orange fruit and I would have voted for that over the orange cry baby.
We need more than 2 parties. fml.
Only way to get to more than 2 parties is to vote for the one party that doesn’t want a dictatorship, sadly.
Believe me, even with more parties, politicians would manage to monopolize the attention of voters by assimilating smaller parties into “coalitions”. Take for example my country Venezuela, there are supposed to be about 30 parties, but half of them were consumed by the PSUV (the ruling party) and the other half are barely creating an opposition coalition, bringing us closer to bipartisanship.
30 is way too many. Ideally, you want about 4-5 parties in order to maintain a healthy democracy without getting bogged down.
Either way, the two party duopoly of the US ain’t it.
I was cautiously optimistic about Harris before, now I’m regular optimistic. Walz seems like a good dude who will appeal to working class voters, having been a schoolteacher and a union member, and able to be folksy with a genuine-ness that DJT and JD couchfucker couldn’t muster in a dozen lifetimes.
I’m voting no one
I’m curious, can you share some of the reasons you’ve decided against voting?
Same here unfortunately. Since in the state where I am from does all electronic and I can’t do a write in ballet…otherwise it would be my dog Buddy for president.
Oh, so you’re in the “I’m part of the problem” camp. What kind of mental gymnastics do you manage to pull off to rationalize this?
Are you young? Because progress is progress and you should never waste it. It may take a generation to gain an inch, but one bad year to go back a foot. I will never understand people who are willing to throw it all away because feelings.
When you shop for a place to live, do you buy/rent nothing because nothing is “perfect”? Or do you weigh the benefits and detriments of each available option and choose the best one?
There’s a clear choice, and if you need to see what voter apathy gets you, look at Venezuela. We got a second chance because the Jan 6 attempt failed. If you don’t vote, the usurper might win.
I would rather buy if i settled down or retired. I never weigh the benefits because I am always renting…well at least for the past 15 years. In my circumstance it is the best option. I currently can’t vote because I am not currently in my home state. I would vote harris but can’t vote because the rest of the year is filled with contracts for me to travel.
Absentee ballot. Always worked for me in the Navy.
And you can write in whomever? How do I get one? Not in the Navy but would just like to see my dog on the ballot lol.
I find it fascinating that you have no preference between the candidates. Do you really think it won’t matter which wins?
I hoped so in 2016,but then we saw what happened after that.
Absentee ballots work just like in-person ballots. You just mail them in instead of dropping them in the box at the polling place.
What state are you in? It’s not hard to request an absentee ballot.
Hey, I get that writing in your dog might seem funny, but this election is way too important for that. If people don’t take voting seriously, it increases the chances of someone like Trump winning again in 2024. And with things like Project 2025 on the horizon, which aims to reshape the government in ways that could really hurt a lot of people, every vote really does count. We need to stick together and vote wisely if we want to avoid some serious consequences.
all right all right lemmys I will vote…but I want dog treats sent from all of you MF’ers that say I should not do a write in. So I can feed them to Buddy. Hell I will have to take down the sign that says Buddy for 2024
There’s very few Americans who hadn’t had their mind made up already, maybe a couple percent. Of those couple percent, maybe a percent have an opinion on Tim Walz. And most of them are from Minnisota.
The polls seem to disagree with you, at least before Harris’ pick of Walz was announced. She’s peeled off a solid 5-6% from Trump in some states, turning him from a +4 favorite to a -1 tossup in some Georgia polls, for example, or turning a Trump +3 favorite in Pennsylvania into a Harris +3 favorite between Biden’s decision to suspend his campaign and late last week.
I’m not expecting to see Walz’s announcement making any big waves right away, but it gives them a chance to extend the excitement cycle for a while.
My probability of voting for Harris has changed from 100% to 100%, but I’m more excited about it because she picked the guy Bernie endorsed.
Nothing on this planet would ever get me to vote for the angry orange. Ever.
I didn’t even vote for Harris a first time, so I’m sure this person, even despite people complaining she can’t read the room, doesn’t need my help becoming president.
Aside from voting for third parties, who do need my help, I’m so done with even the concept of voting.
How do you do fellow voters?
Aside from political matters, rather good.
I’m so done with even the concept of voting.
Kewl kewl. Feel free to move to North Korea or China. You’ll never get a say in anything again!
…as opposed to?
The fascists want to convince you that your vote doesn’t matter. Defy the fascists and vote. Besides, the state and local races make more of a difference anyway, so at least show up for those.
I definitely do those. Not sure how much of an impact that has, but when you have such deception as which takes place on the next level, like with the various media scandals on both sides, it’s a negative omen. In my mind at least, it’s like all those people who lied about their life situation to gain community contributions, times ten. But some people divide it for some reason.
If I’m not mistaken, it was Obama/Clinton/Sanders in 2016 who infamously dissed the concept of third party voting (are they any of the fascists we speak of?)
I definitely do those. Not sure how much of an impact that has
Well it’s pretty clear when one day your library has enough funding for after school activities with the kids.
So how’s Russia these days? They paying you well?
Then please don’t complain about the government you get.
Not from the US, but if I was I’d 100% be voting for Harris.
I feel it should be “Lemmies” because we never, ever, pluralize with an apostrophe.
Also can’t vote for either but I have too much compassion for America to ever vote for Mr Trump anyway.
I was always going to vote against Trump, no matter who the other candidate was. I’m glad it’s Kamala, though. I think most people on Lemmy see the danger and made their decision long ago. Blue, no matter who.
Can I quote you on blue no matter who?
Sure, but Blue No Matter Who started during the 2016 Democratic primary between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders supporters. It encourages Democrats to come together and support the nominee in the general election, no matter who they backed in the primary. I use it to highlight the importance of coming together to stand against Republicans.
Not pitting one side or another but kind of seems like Republicans need to purge their own House…no pun intended…I think people are sick and tired of hearing them. But that may just me be.
Just FYI downvotes are because blue no matter who is already a well known phrase
Did not know that. First time I saw it. Thanks for educating me…no sarcasm.
