built with massive debts for a lot lines, no immediate commercial viability.
The Chinese state owns the whole system, and state debt isn’t what you think it is. This is not a commercial system, so “commercial viability” is irrelevant.
@davel Air travel is also demanding on:
* Road infrastructure for the airport, trains deliver people closer to where they want in the first place and the connect better to the rest of the PT system.
* Land use. Airports are huge.
* Airports also cost a lot, factoring them into the price of moving people around is important, frequently this is paid for the state.
* Noisy in ways that just can’t be mitigated.
@davel@elgordino True. However, many stations are ghost stations, that only got built because a provincial official got their hands on the money from Beijing. Also much of critical construction is already in a bad and unsafe state, only shortly after opening. This means that on many stretches top speeds cannot be maintained or they can’t even be used at all. Much construction is of “tofu dreg” quality and is crumbling already.
“Ghost stations” are bullshit[1][2], and “tofu dreg quality” is bullshit running on the fumes of 1980s Chinese manufacturing (and is racist). Where do our iPhones and other smart phones and our laptops come from? What country’s lunar lander just returned from far side of the moon? People need to get their heads out of their asses.
The Chinese state owns the whole system, and state debt isn’t what you think it is. This is not a commercial system, so “commercial viability” is irrelevant.
@davel @elgordino the viability is: how do we let people move around the country, what is the cheapest way.
This is cheap.
It’s also cheap everywhere else.
And by cheap I mean cheaper than alternatives.
It’s cheaper than just one more lane, bro. one more lane will fix it, bro, i swear.
It’s also cheaper than flying, in terms of climate change.
@davel comedy mode: one more track, you wont believe how many more people can use just one more track ;)
@davel Air travel is also demanding on:
* Road infrastructure for the airport, trains deliver people closer to where they want in the first place and the connect better to the rest of the PT system.
* Land use. Airports are huge.
* Airports also cost a lot, factoring them into the price of moving people around is important, frequently this is paid for the state.
* Noisy in ways that just can’t be mitigated.
It really isn’t a good option.
@davel @elgordino True. However, many stations are ghost stations, that only got built because a provincial official got their hands on the money from Beijing. Also much of critical construction is already in a bad and unsafe state, only shortly after opening. This means that on many stretches top speeds cannot be maintained or they can’t even be used at all. Much construction is of “tofu dreg” quality and is crumbling already.
“Ghost stations” are bullshit[1][2], and “tofu dreg quality” is bullshit running on the fumes of 1980s Chinese manufacturing (and is racist). Where do our iPhones and other smart phones and our laptops come from? What country’s lunar lander just returned from far side of the moon? People need to get their heads out of their asses.
@davel LOL