I went to a Gamestop the other day, and they had a little section for pre-owned games for older systems (think Xbox360, PS2, DS, etc). I was perusing and grabbed some games, but I noticed something, the cases that have the XBOX360 games have a giant “RETRO GAMING” on it in the centre. So I am like wtf, I grew up with the XBOX360, what the hell do they mean “retro”.
So I went and asked like friends and other people if the XBOX360 is retro now, and basically everyone was like “yeah”. I was talking to my EX about it and she was like “the xbox came out in 2005/6. There is more time between us and the xbox360 than there was between the xbox and the SNES when the xbox came out. Was the SNES “retro” when the xbox360 came out?”
I am like not ready, not willing to accept the XBOX360 as retro. Because that is saying my thing that I grew up with is “retro” or “old” now and im not ready to accept that because im not ready to be old.
Just you wait until you reach a point where you think “I used to feel old when I was in my 20’ties. Now I’m really old.”
t. Am 41 years old.
Imagine what 60 must feel like.
More like the same thing.
At 80’s however will be like “Damn, I used to talk with randoms about my age and making such a big deal in my 20’ties. And now I’m in my 80’ties and I could die in any moment.”
At 100’ties will be like “Ah, fu-”
I think using emulation as the benchmark for what makes a console retro can be a useful rule of thumb. By that metric I don’t think the 360 is retro yet as emulation isn’t quite mainstream or functional for the majority of titles. It’s probably getting close though.
Emulation has nothing to do with it, Saturn emulation is not great still and it’s an old system, original xbox as well. All the while PS3 emulation is pretty good now and PS3 is newer than the 360. Hell, Nintendo Switch even got an emulator in the middle of its life cycle, does that make it retro?
It’s still a reasonable rule, with a few outliers. For the switch specifically, you could make a reasonable argument it was retro on launch, with cartridges and massively underpowered hardware.
“Massively underpowered” switch hardware is much more powerful than the 360 as well, with games like Skyrim, RDR, Bayonetta, all running much better than they ever did on 360 or PS3. So if that’s retro…
360 is AAA slop, I refuse to recognize that thing as retro.
Here here! stomps cane
We are not old, we are retro
I’m downright vintage.
I feel like the “retroness” comes down to more the gameplay than the passage of time. Despite coming out 20 years ago, 360 games have a lot of similarities to modern games. Contrast that to the SNES, which had a much different limitations and approach to game design.
Yes and no. I only play the 360 (because of money, not choice) and the very specific brand of action games they had are not a thing today. The mechanics and presentation are “retro” in the sense that they are from a different era.
There are many that share similarities but the more you play from this era today the more you notice how much things have changed.
Yeah, maybe we need a different word to describe the games and systems that we think of when we say “retro”. Because when I think of ‘retro’ games, I’m thinking of Super Mario Bros and the OG Doom and shit like that, not Halo or whatever. I’m thinking of the time before consoles were mostly just pre-built PCs in a fancy looking box.
The people born when this machine was released have finished school, learned to drive and potentially even started their own families.
I just bought one last year.
It’s not retro. It’s in that sweet spot where it’s irrelevant enough to be dirt cheap.
We’ll need to wait another 10-20 years before the kids who grew up with the xbox360 have enough time and disposable income to buy and play all the games they loved in their youth.
If it can be emulated on a steam deck, it’s retro
The switch is retro?
I never had an XBOX or PS2. I went over to my friend’s house and he’d let me take a controller. I’m surprised this is considered retro now and I’m a little sad since I never got to play it.
Now I have Steam games I can’t find time or joy to play and with no one to play them with.
I’m surprised this is considered retro now and I’m a little sad since I never got to play it.
The good news is PS2 emulation is pretty solid. Xbox is less so, but luckily most games in the generation were also available on PS2.
It is not retro. It is “Modern,” like how art from the 50s and 60s is called “Modern Art.”
Here is an easy chart:
1st Console Gen (Magnavox Odyssey) : Historic
2nd Console Gen (ColecoVision) : Antique
3rd Console Gen (NES) : Vintage
4th Console Gen (SNES) : Retro
5th Console Gen (N64) : Classic
6th Console Gen (XBOX) : Renaissance
7th Console Gen (X360) : Modern
8th Console Gen (XBOX ONE) : Post-Modern
9th Console Gen (XBOX SERIES) : Contemporary
Well done
I’m with you, retro is when they were still counting bits
And it never got cool super-computer action like N64 from 2015 Fantastic Four even…lol.
I am also often upset, confused and scared by the passage of time
Downvote for making me think about it
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In my opinion, retro games/consoles are a lot like vintage cars. It doesn’t matter how much time has passed because it’s not about their age, it’s about the era they came from.
In the case of vintage cars, it’s any car manufactured prior to 1930. In the case of retro game consoles I’d say it’s anything prior to 1995.
That’s a surprisingly narrow definition.
So do you look at something like a Studebaker Commander Coupe and go “well obviously that’s modern”?
No, definitely not modern, possibly a classic, though that term has some additional qualifications, so I’m not sure.
But 1930 is chosen and is generally recognized as the cutoff for vintage cars by most collectors clubs and organizations, because that year marked a major industry wide shift, for consumers, manufacturers, and regulation, and while there have been relatively minor shifts in the industry, not much has really changed since.
Similarly, 1994 (made a typo above) marked a similar transition, the PS1 was released that year, marking a shift to 3D graphics, the ESRB was established in the US, and consumer adoption reached a point where you could finally say video gaming was here to stay. And just like with the automotive industry in 1930, things in gaming shifted from a period of rapid experimentation, innovation, and regulation to a period of slow, gradual improvement along the lines established by the fifth generation of consoles in 1994.
1930 is chosen and is generally recognized as the cutoff for vintage cars
By who? I’m a big car guy and have never heard someone say a car has to be near 100 years old to be vintage. Most laws here in the states say 30. This is the only real source I could find that agrees with you but then it goes on to disagree with itself so idk.
Personally, I’d say “vintage” is 1950s and into the 1960s. I would say the C1 Corvette is “vintage”, but the C2 is “classic”.
