links in body.

I saw a post yesterday about chemtrails and everybody poopooed the thought of secret civilian chemical testing by the US government.

Unfortunately, the Church committee, the 1975 senate committee that outed the US intelligence agencies and US military for their human rights abuses against US civilians and military personnel, received direct testimony from those agencies conducting the experiments that various branches of the US government, without notification or consent, absolutely and admittedly conducted live civilian experiments with harmful chemical and biological agents and weapons via sea, land and air, beginning at the very latest in the early 1940s and continuing for at least 30 testing years, supposedly ending in the late 1970s after the experiments were exposed by the 1975 Senate committee chaired by Frank Church.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

while chemical and biological agents were dropped by air hundreds of times(chemtrails) onto unaware US civilian populations, chemical and biological weapons and toxins were also sprayed over dozens of US cities without notification or consent via Operation sea spray and related operations:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

these abuses are settled US history.

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    You should review my old comments, that is not an accurate description of what I’ve said. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. From my earliest and still completely unedited comments, I have said you say some true things, and some lies, and that you mix them together.

    I have never tried to “discredit all” of anything. I have fully acknowledged that some things you say are true. You just lie alongside the true things, and then delete them when you are caught.

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      no, I don’t think I will help you muddy the waters in your attempt to discredit factual history.

      but you keep trying. I’m sure eventually you’ll make it past the starting line you’re hunkered behind.

      I’m just kidding, I don’t think you will.

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        Doesn’t matter. Everyone else will have read through my comments all at once just to get to this point. Since they read them all together they will remember easily, and notice that mine are not edited.

        By the way, going back and deleting things for “clarity” is very cowardly. A real man does not do such things. Even if they make a mistake, they just admit it, which takes confidence and courage. Trying to hide things instead is weak, cowardly and shameful, just fyi.

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          keep trying to muddy those waters, maybe you’ll finally make progress after another 20 comments.

          The post is the same, the facts are the same, all the evidence for chemtrails and biological weapons testing on US citizens by their own government is right there and still available.

          dang, you bitter.

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            There is an edit marker next to your post, made when it was already hours old. It is obviously not the same. Fortunately, I quoted from it back then, so people can clearly see what it originally said. You cannot change this.

            The only thing that has stayed the same throughout, is me. The evidence is there for everyone to see.

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              whatever minutia you’re focused on does absolutely nothing to mitigate the historical facts of this post.

              the evidence is there for everyone to see: the US government admitted to using chemtrails to disperse biological weapons on non-consenting US citizens.

              story hasn’t changed yet, it’s going to stay the same.

              all of the links above contain the documents, testimony and recordings provided by the US government in 1976.

              keep swinging.

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                You being a liar and then covering it up is not minutia. Had you simply stuck to facts from the beginning, we’d not be having this problem.

                And no, again, not weapons, that’s you lying again. They were studying weapons, by using not-weapons. Experiments are often done with proxies like this. If they were using real weapons, a lot of people would have died. Instead, I think one did, if I remember right from your links? Correct me if I’m wrong on the death toll. You should go back to sticking to the truth, at any rate.

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                  my entire post from top to bottom is backed up with the same hard facts, verified and testified to by the US government.

                  there’s no “if” the US government conducted biological weapons test, they admitted to conducting those biological weapons experiments on US citizens without their consent.

                  all of the sources I’ve provided corroborate that evidence with recordings, documents and testimony.

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                    You said:

                    US government admitted to using chemtrails to disperse biological weapons

                    Now, were there experiments on the spread of weapons? Yes, this is true. Were those experiments performed by dispersing actual weapons? No, that is false. Other, less deadly agents were dispersed, not weapons.

                    Btw, I’ve quoted you. So if you edit to change your comment, people can still see my quoted version, so a ninja edit will not help you. Can you perhaps admit you were simply wrong to say weapons were what specifically was dispersed? Are you strong enough for that?