Whether you respect them or not, those jobs still must exist until they are automated away. Casual dining and fine dining restaurants can’t operate without servers–if that was possible, The Invisible Hand Of The Free Market would have eliminated that position centuries ago.
I’m saying they need to have some respect for themselves and refuse bullshit ass pay like that. And the vast majority of civilized nations have servers just fine without tipping/bull shit poverty wages. Service is better too.
I understand what you’re saying, and what you’re saying is only concerned with individuals, not systems.
What I’m saying is that regardless of how many individual people turn that job down, the job listing at that wage will still exist. Eventually, someone who is down on their luck will become desperate enough to take it because they don’t have any other options left.
They could be homeless people trying to afford the deposit on an apartment, or single dads trying to pay for field trips for their kids, or ex-cons locked out of conventional employment trying desperately to earn an honest living, or college students trying to buy one used textbook, or even uneducated twenty-somethings trying to build work history so they can stop working for tips.
All of those desperate people, the people who have no choice but to tolerate the wage that you have too much self-respect to accept–they deserve nice things too. Their boss is a greedy, insufferable bastard who is willing to pay them the minimum that he is legally required to. If he could pay his employees less, he would do it in a heartbeat. By refusing to tip, you are climbing in to the same boat he’s in, no matter what ideology you shout as you clamber over the gunwales.
If all you’re going to do is repeat ideologies while ignoring material conditions, then that’s your call, but I’m done spending my time with you if that’s your choice.
I’m against tipping specifically because of having worked in food service jobs. I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit your narrative. And neither of you have meaningfully responded to why the rest of the world manages fine without tipping, which really says it all.
If you’re going out to eat and not tipping, I truly don’t believe you have worked at a food service job. Full stop.
Tipping is a construct of capitalism that allows owners to shunt the burden of paying their workers to the customer. Yes, it’s fucked. This does not change the fact that if a server waits on your bum ass for an hour, and you don’t tip, they probably made about $3 while serving you. It’s basic human respect to compensate someone for that - and while it’s fucked that the burden falls on you, that’s the name of the game in America.
While serving, I highly disliked the wildly inconsistent pay I received due to the tipping system. It makes paying rent on time hard. It’s honestly a really shitty way to live, which if you worked as server you would also know. Yeah getting $100 tip randomly is a cool surprise, no disagreements there … But it can’t be relied upon.
Also, still no comment on how the rest of the civilized world does just fine without tipping?
And lastly, no thank you. I’m going to continue to go out and not tip. Not only that, I’m going to continue to encourage others to do the same.
It’s working. Growing numbers if both servers and customers are becoming more and more sick of this bullshit and the tide is shifting.
Whether you respect them or not, those jobs still must exist until they are automated away. Casual dining and fine dining restaurants can’t operate without servers–if that was possible, The Invisible Hand Of The Free Market would have eliminated that position centuries ago.
I’m saying they need to have some respect for themselves and refuse bullshit ass pay like that. And the vast majority of civilized nations have servers just fine without tipping/bull shit poverty wages. Service is better too.
I understand what you’re saying, and what you’re saying is only concerned with individuals, not systems.
What I’m saying is that regardless of how many individual people turn that job down, the job listing at that wage will still exist. Eventually, someone who is down on their luck will become desperate enough to take it because they don’t have any other options left.
They could be homeless people trying to afford the deposit on an apartment, or single dads trying to pay for field trips for their kids, or ex-cons locked out of conventional employment trying desperately to earn an honest living, or college students trying to buy one used textbook, or even uneducated twenty-somethings trying to build work history so they can stop working for tips.
All of those desperate people, the people who have no choice but to tolerate the wage that you have too much self-respect to accept–they deserve nice things too. Their boss is a greedy, insufferable bastard who is willing to pay them the minimum that he is legally required to. If he could pay his employees less, he would do it in a heartbeat. By refusing to tip, you are climbing in to the same boat he’s in, no matter what ideology you shout as you clamber over the gunwales.
Again, the vast majority of places don’t have this issue of tipping at all.
Capitalism brutally forcing people into work they would otherwise not choose sadly happens almost everywhere, but tipping does not.
If all you’re going to do is repeat ideologies while ignoring material conditions, then that’s your call, but I’m done spending my time with you if that’s your choice.
I didn’t ignore the material conditions you stated, I actually reaffirmed them.
You however did ignore my point about the rest of the world who manages without tipping.
Bro is an idiot without an ounce of empathy who has clearly never had to work a service job a day in their lives. I’m with you ms docrime
I’m against tipping specifically because of having worked in food service jobs. I’m sorry if that doesn’t fit your narrative. And neither of you have meaningfully responded to why the rest of the world manages fine without tipping, which really says it all.
If you’re going out to eat and not tipping, I truly don’t believe you have worked at a food service job. Full stop.
Tipping is a construct of capitalism that allows owners to shunt the burden of paying their workers to the customer. Yes, it’s fucked. This does not change the fact that if a server waits on your bum ass for an hour, and you don’t tip, they probably made about $3 while serving you. It’s basic human respect to compensate someone for that - and while it’s fucked that the burden falls on you, that’s the name of the game in America.
Don’t go out to eat if you don’t want to tip.
While serving, I highly disliked the wildly inconsistent pay I received due to the tipping system. It makes paying rent on time hard. It’s honestly a really shitty way to live, which if you worked as server you would also know. Yeah getting $100 tip randomly is a cool surprise, no disagreements there … But it can’t be relied upon.
Also, still no comment on how the rest of the civilized world does just fine without tipping?
And lastly, no thank you. I’m going to continue to go out and not tip. Not only that, I’m going to continue to encourage others to do the same.
It’s working. Growing numbers if both servers and customers are becoming more and more sick of this bullshit and the tide is shifting.