Yea. I agree. There is a nice median and really strong extremes. But those extremes sometimes hog up the convo.

Yea you know what: I stand corrected. Classic liberalism is closely aligned with conservatism in the sense that it is shuttered from regulation. My mind is on the social liberal aspect.

I agree with all of this. However, and I could be wrong, my understanding of classic liberalism is that it was never directly opposed to regulation or social services. My initial understanding is that it’s by necessity tied to free markets and private property.

But if it is then I’m learning something new.

We don’t have to have an argument over it. It’s ok to have a conversation. I’m familiar with the ‘liberals are right wing’ talking point.

I’m just trying to understand what exactly it is that defines ‘right wing’ and how we define ‘liberalism’ . You’re right, it IS a semantic discussion, but clearly the implication is that liberalism is on par with being right wing. So, nonetheless, a semantic relabeling which is not devoid of consequences.

So I’m wondering, at what point do those two overlap (liberalism and right wing politics)? Is it the right to private property? Beyond that, what exactly makes liberalism ‘right wing’?

I think my issue is with the usage of the phrase “right wing” because we need something scathing to label liberals. It doesn’t really contribute anything to the discourse except create layers of exclusion.

Liberalism, broadly, is not interested in supporting or enabling hierarchies. The only thing they share in common with right wing conservatism is the ownership of private property -but that’s it. So lumping them all in the same bucket isn’t doing much for anyone except creating more exclusion at the risk of pushing forward socialist policies. The reality is liberals are probably more likely to favor equality, even if it’s just ideological. Shouldn’t we strive to bring more people on board and build bridges rather than continue this bizarre war of artrition?

Wikipedia: Right Wing Politics

I know it’s comfortable to sit and call anything slightly right of ultra socialism as ‘right wing’ but a spectrum exists.

To conflate republican evangelical dominionist Christians with liberals is peak hubris.

There is a saying: ‘when you’re a hammer, every problem is a nail’. When you reduce everything to class warfare you’re not engaging in an effective discourse to reduce harm in the world. You’re just pontificating on the merits of socialism, which yea, we all agree are neat. But so what? You think folding everyone else into a basket gives you credence or helps the discourse in any way?

Engage with the points or move on. This whole “i won’t be baited” reeks of so much hubris and but hurt

What are you talking about… This is the experience of most of us that dare slightly disagree on anything. It shouldn’t be this way

Oh my god… This is spot on. I feel like everyone here is mostly larping.

I’ve received way more bitter and raged out responses here than I’ve ever received on Reddit for very lukewarm vanilla takes. I’m not saying Lemmy is full of extremists but there is a user base here that is all or nothing. My guess is it’s age related though.

Hundreds of Beavers? Can confirm. It’s a masterpiece.

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Wild Robot really surprised me… Score was fantastic and some scenes had me bawling

I don’t have time to break down al his lies. Willymac does a decent job:

Hasan

His class shouldn’t matter ultimately. However, his superficial and putrid understanding of anything regarding politics or the world in infuriating. At one point he was simping hard for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine repeating verbatim rt talking points.

I loathe this man more than I hate Joe Rogan. Joe is an imbecile, through and through. Hasan, on the other hand, supposedly has a poli Sci degree. He knows what he’s doing and it’s disgusting

Well. If the most ardest proponents can’t hold it to the fire then how are the rest of us normies supposed to come on board? Clearly there is a disconnect between praxis and ideology

You must be joking? There is a whole community of people posting how they got banned from ml for the most asinine reasons. Are you serious right now?

I got banned simply for stating that China is a centrally planned economy. Is that a bannable of fence nin your view despite it being the main description on Wikipedia and among most economists?

I’m all for anarcho-communism. I studied it in college. I don’t know what the execution looks like though in practice but I find it appealing.

The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef’s kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.

If you can’t withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he’d personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance

NO ONE IS GETTING BANNED FOR CRITISIZING THE US HERE. In fact, it’s the norm here. Now, can you tell me how much I can badmouth the ccp on ml???