Whats the joke here?
The green lady thinks “who’d pay for her nudes?” means “I won’t date you”
Huh? I dont care who made the comic im just wondering what the actual punchline is.
Some men think women care about “value” of people when dating but instead women are either not looking for a relationship or not as objectifying as these men
The punchline is that women now use this dumb “value” idea to filter out who to even associate with in the first place, by just avoiding any guy who mentions this shit
I guess i just don’t like these type of comics. It’s akin to someone posting “Haterz r my motivatorz!” on facebook circa 2011
This is better imo, part of the punchline here is that she’s already married and is just fucking annoyed by this guy hitting on her in the most disrespectful way possible
That is basically what she does, yes.
The punchline is entirely self-referential. Or rather, there isn’t a punchline. This is a really basic exchange as could be found in the real comment sections of basically any woman posting photos of herself online.
Except that the person who draws this comic uses it primarily to advertise her OnlyFans, so somehow she’s connected annoyance with the constant promotion of her terrible joke-free comics with the same thing that that means all criticism of her is incel fury and not, yknow, people wanting comics to be promoted for how good they are rather than how entrenched her subscribers are.
I see now what everyone’s talking about, without really broaching the subject (without sounding totally incel). This sums is up nicely, although even including that she does OF will make some people call you the incel. At any rate, thank you
The fuck are you on about?
I didn’t mean to attract incels with my comment
Probably about PCC author having an onlyfans
There’s no joke. People seem to enjoy feeling either superior or outraged or both and the name of the game is user engagement. That’s how you end up with this type of thing.
This dog shit comic being spammed on *eddit was a good reason to leave that shithole
Lol. Dog shit comments like this being posted on reddit was a good reason to leave that shithole.
I’m not a fan of her comics, I just don’t find them very funny. But the level of unconstructive hate she gets is absurd. Just move on if you don’t like the comics. If you really dislike them, just block the user or community. It’s not hard. Grow up.
You sound decaffeinated.
The great thing about lemmy is that if you don’t like a post, there is another one under it.
Are you afraid spez is going to come to your house and lick your feet while you sleep if you say Reddit? Nothing more pathetic than self-censorship. Say the fucking word or pick another one.
Well something similar happened that haunts my childhood till this day.
Say the n-word then
“Self-censorship” like when PCC author threatened to sue a subreddit for critizing her and making fun of her comics
It’s for wh€n you hat€ someth*ng so much that you treat it as a sluπ. If you don’t like it that’s fine but as people who dislike pizzacake should do move on or block it.
I don’t see what’s dogshit about it. Maybe you just don’t like it?
Fits the current comic btw.
You’re welcome to make your own comic if you think you can do better.
It’s just a cover for her… erm, alternative content.
So?
You’ve made a point. The fanboyism and simping is so deep, there’s nothing you can do but block the content.
I find that highly unlikely. It’s far more profitable to just do NSFW if that’s your goal.
If anything the NSFW posts are a way to monetize the actual thing she wants to draw, which are normal comics.
Exactly. The NSFW stuff came about from demand, not because she was pushing it. It ended up being very successful, so she kept doing it. It’s weird how angry people get that someone would post nudes.
So what? Are you such a prude that this insults you?
A woman being involved in anything NSFW is automatically labelled negatively among a certain sect of the population.
Which is such a shame because drawing a funny comic that has NSFW elements should be lauded.
Love oglaf.com
I don’t think simping for online personalities and influencers is particularly healthy, and it’s one of the last things I’d defend.
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
Kinda like when SrGrafo was making loli art. (don’t make me post it)
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
That’s strange, because I’m only aware of the porn because of you, not because of the comic.
You’re the one advertising Internet porn here.
now now. that’s just a stupid stance to take. you don’t have to make media to be critical of it.
or do you have to make a podcast to say joe rogan’s slop is toxic, diseased, and damaging to society?
You’re right of course! But also there’s a big difference between real criticism and just saying something is “dogshit”. In fact you criticized Joe Rogan’s stuff properly, by drawing attention to the negative effects it has on people. We could go even further and pick out specific cases. (Though there’s no need to in this case, I agree with you.)
On the other hand, shitting on something with no reasoning just makes you a hater. I work with several comic artists professionally, and a common thing they ALL see is a nontrivial percentage of commenters who simply disparage everything. This is not because the content is inherently bad, but because all these trolls can do is destroy, not create.
Them saying Joe Rogan’s podcast is “toxic, diseased, and damaging to society” is not better critique than the other poster calling this comic dog shit. Both are just statements that provide no argument or reasoning behind the statements. Sure they could back it up with examples why it is so, but so could the other commenter, which would make either of those comments valid criticism, but without they are equally good (or bad) criticism.
exactly.
I think it’s fine because we were operating on an implicit set of shared knowledge. Not every communication needs to be a research paper.
I have no understanding (implicit or explicit) of why the original commenter hated this comic, and clearly that’s the case for the vast majority of the voters here.
Providing 2-3 lines of explanatory context is hardly a research paper, but enough to illustrate reason behind a simple statement.
AFAIK, the author of this comic is somewhat of an asshat that exercises varying degree of censorship on a comic strip subreddit, based on their personal beliefs.
like i replied to the original comment that person is complaining about, she’s had some really dumb takes but is usually in the right ballpark. those dumb takes were also cases where she doubled down and yeah, that subreddit is basically a safespace for their superusers/content creators.
there is no substantive difference between my comment about rogan and that guys comment about this comic. only your opinion is coloring how you take it.
you and every single person upvoting you are just lemmings wearing a different team’s jersey than the idiot lemming above.
if anything, we need more haters at this point, because y’all dumb af.
“This is a dog shit comic” is not a critique, though, is the thing. It’s just jerking off in public.
Fun fact: no one is forcing you to read comics you dislike! If you don’t like a post, you are allowed to scroll past it.
I don’t think this is the right place for you then either. Maybe try X or “Truth” Social?
Excuse you. Liking pizzacake is not a prerequisite to be a sane normal person.
IKR, that’s like the ultimate reddit opinion to have. 😂
So, if someone disagrees with your opinion of PizzaShit, they’re somehow a conservative?
Jesus fucking Christ. This is truly r/comics Al over again.
Pot: Meet kettle.
Jfc. You can’t make this up
Wait, so- in a different discussion where you removed your downvoted comments that were arguing something similar… you were right, but here where the same point could be made, it’s wrong? Let me refresh you, because the you didn’t remove the one that had positive voting:
If nazzis and I agree 1+1 makes 2 that doesn’t mean we’re all Nazzis.
So if we change “nazzis” (Nazis) to conservatives….
Well, I guess we finally see what happens when the pot meets the kettle, don’t we.
we don’t want you here
I guess you should just leave instead of posting shit comments.
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Yeah, the virtue signaling is at an insane level, but the author never seems to take their own advice or take it well when anyone points out their blind spots.
I’d suggest 4chan as a more suitable alternative buuuuut…
she’s had some real shitty opinions but she’s generally in the right ballpark.
Yeah, on this topic I feel like she’s in the ballpark. My girlfriend and I game in the same spaces but we don’t always announce that we are together IRL for privacy sake. And we are both very independent people.
The amount of weird dudes she’s ran into that have used “high value man” or “high value woman” is absolutely more than one. They’re pretty common to bump into in online spaces.
The last time she ran into a problem with a dude like this—she read me the chat as it was going down. The guy was clearly into her but couldn’t handle that she was taken and had no interest. So, this random dude proceeded to call me a cuck (hahaha), asked if I “knew what she was up to” (gaming? lol), and that no high value man would want her! He did this in a public gaming space too and about 50 people thankfully dog piled and ratioed him into oblivion.
Oh well! I guess she’s stuck with “her low value cuck man” who makes her coffee in bed every morning and with whom she raised a cute and healthy family with. She’s allowed to do whatever she wants and her male doesn’t even try to control her. How horrible! She’ll never recover!
These dudes are dangerous in numbers. Which is why they deserve and need to be mocked mercilessly until they fuck off or get therapy.
Which is why they deserve and need to be mocked mercilessly until they fuck off or get therapy.
I’m doing my part. 🫡
Actually, I missed this thread.
I generally agree with her opinions, but there’s more to thinking a comic is good than pointing at it and going “wow i think that too.” They always just seem like super generic “relatable” jokes, and it’s crazy that they always get 50 billion upvotes.
low hanging fruit is low hanging fruit for a reason. it’s accessible.
The only comic of hers that I’ve found morally objectionable was years ago now, and framed around complaining about her kids.
It had thousands of downvotes (on reddit) and all the comments were calling her out for being entierly responsible for her situation as a parent, and telling her to suck it up and step up because bitching out her kids like that was damaging them, unproductive and absolutely not funny.
Out of the thousands of comic panels of hers that I’ve seen, that’s really not a bad track record at all.
she also downplayed male rape a while back. and doubled down on it.
Ah, ok yeah I didn’t see that one. That changes things s bit.
Honestly, who didn’t?
Me, I’m always right
Today in things that never happened:
Or maybe it would happen in the US. I wouldn’t be surprised anymore.
Try asking any female friend if they can relate to this comic.
They’d need to interact with a woman on a personal level to be able to accomplish that.
Given everything, I’m guessing they don’t have any.
I’ll ask my work colleagues in the union club. I’m sure perhaps my colleagues from Arabic countries might relate, but that’s about it.
Oh, sweet summer child.
I’m sure perhaps my colleagues from Arabic countries might relate
So you agree that is does in fact happen?
I said might. What’s more true in Arabic countries is that women aren’t allowed to be approached for most reasons.
That was a quick referral. So you’re just changing your argument to be whatever disagrees with the person who who replies to you instead of having a coherent point.
My point is this doesn’t happen. That point hasn’t changed.
I’m sure perhaps my colleagues from Arabic countries might relate
Pick a lane.
Try asking any female friend
Why don’t you also ask him to end world hunger while you’re at it? He has equal chances at both.
This happens literally every day. lmao
Really? So people randomly approach you on the street and proclaim they’ll never date you?
I am not a women but if you go outside with them you will see it.
Any time a woman stands up for anything that a shitty man disagrees with they say the same shit. Every time.Listen, just because nobody has ever seen you as attractive doesn’t mean that’s the experience most people have.
I think you got something a little backwards.
Just want to note this bloke took ten minutes to respond and this is the best they came up with.
Yes, because Lemmy is the most important thing in the world. I’ll reply in my own time. Not yours.
Boooooring.
YES. Literally yes.
I’ve been approached by men who say I’m wearing too much makeup and that men don’t like that. That I should smile more if I want a boyfriend. That my clothes aren’t very flattering and it’s unattractive to him.
Like, for all your talk of “go outside” you don’t seem to know what life is like for women outside.
What country?
Mine? America. But I have friends in the UK that have similar experinces.
America. Typical. I would like you to come to Scandinavia, then. You might get a culture shock.
If you were even vaguely representative of Scandinavians, I’d steer clear. Luckily, I have family in Norway and Finland, so I know you’re just an ass and are full of shit.
I mean. Okay? Maybe? But that’s not really the point?
I’m just trying to address how unrealistic you thought this comic was. But it is a accurate depiction of a regular experince for many women’s lives.
Honestly it seems like you’re just trying to “win” the discussion by correcting others. When women talk about the problems they face, it’s not helpful for you to go “That doesn’t happen”.
I live in Norway. While it is less prevalent here than elsewhere, please understand that it still very much exists.
America. Typical.
Guess what country the comic artist is likely from…
Same in Italy x 100.
Not excusing ignorance but it is wild how different the experience of the average man or woman can be just existing in public. It makes sense to me that a man who is largely a basement dweller would have no first hand exposure to that sort of behavior.
You’re speaking for yourself, I presume?
sick comeback bro that must go over really well in your middle school
Hearing a girlfriend express a lack of confidence because she wouldn’t get accosted kind of fucked me up. A moment of realization that the way the world is is so drastically different from the way I want to believe it is, I didn’t know where to start.
I try to build a habit of reacting to feeling upset with behavior by thinking up a situation that could lead me to act in the same way, but I really struggle to imagine what would make someone inclined to approach a stranger on the street with this kind of comment.
Wait until you learn that cats don’t really like lasagna.
Either you never seen the comment section of any post ever, or you the dude who makes these kind of comments.
Yes, because comment sections on Lemmy/Reddit/Social Media are a good metric for what happens AFK. We saw that when Lemmy/Reddit perfectly predicted the crushing loss of Donald Trump.
Oh wait…
I’d suggest going out more and hanging out with real people.
We saw that when Lemmy/Reddit perfectly predicted the crushing loss of Donald Trump.
As I recall Lemmy/Reddit was telling people how important it was to vote, because Trump wasn’t guaranteed to lose, and if he wins he’s going to become a dictator.
Seems pretty accurate to me.
But you seem to have a pattern of not actually listening to what people are saying so I’m not surprised you got that wrong.
You’re not from US, but somehow you know what hanging out with real people is like here?
I think they’re referring to the online experience. Every single post about some “woman who does something intelligent / skillful”, with enough attention (and it doesn’t take much!), will contain guys being absolute shits.
You know this is a comic, not a news article right?
Yeah? The comic is making a statement, no?
Damn this comic has L A Y E R S
a misogyny onion
The fox has many clever tricks, but the hedgehog has one big trick.
Ugh Lemmy is becoming reddit
I’m only reading one layer. What are others?
She’s probably not even married, among others, but is still playing into the prescribed gender role to troll the masc even harder. OR, she is married, but probably her relationship has some elements that are still considered “niche” or “deviant” by society at large. Or, maybe NONE of that is true, either, which is yet another layer relating to assumptions people make based on the behavior and self-expression of others
Its a call out the her haters. Look at this thread and how many people think theyre better than her for what ever reason. Shes telling them she doesnt give a shit about their opinion
Yeah. That’s the one layer. I’m not seeing any others.
I can see that people don’t always know how to word their critique. But the point is simple: This is a toxic way to deal with that type of annoyance in your life. It’s a comic, indeed, maybe not meant to be taken seriously, but I would much better see comics about interesting, or fun things. This type of ordinary, sarcastic social commentary you present as a comic does not help your cause nor make the sub a better place. Let’s not perpetrate the “owning” culture so prevalent in social media. Shall you?
Why is it that everytime I see this artist nowadays it’s just a preachy kill-a-strawman comic? I remember them being funny back in the day, what happened? Did they change, did I? Am I mistaking a shite copycat for an artist I remember fondly? Is this what senility feels like? How was your day?
Turns out, lemmy has a massive misogyny problem going on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh good lord…. It’s going to be r/comics all over again.
Prepare…. For litany!
Honestly if someone is referring to themselves as “high value” anything then it’s pretty clearly a low value thought. Doesn’t really matter who they are.
Are these Questionable Content characters?
Instead of becoming an incel, you should first consider acting like the woman in this comic when somebody doesn’t want to date you.
I feel like this is one of those conversations you make up in your head and it’s kinda cringe to write it down.
Actually it is a regular thing among the asshole “manosphere” crowd (i.e. the pathetic fucking losersphere).
When you consider the source….
Just look at this thread. People are out in force acting superior to her and putting her down for having an only fans. Theyre providing unsolicited feedback, acting “high valued” without even realize theyre doing it. This comic is showing how she sees the unsolicited feedback from these people on the internet, and calls it out as it is, inconsequential to her life. And what do those very same people do? Get even more upset.
Frankly, i knew nothing about this lady before this thread happened. It’s been a wild ride for me to follow
Big shower-arguement energy for sure.
It’s such a stupid satire by a sad person who can’t address valid criticism and who feel that their only recourse is to straw man.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child.
Next, you’re going to tell me that a snail doing cocaine isn’t realistic?
No, no, shh, I want to believe.
You’d have made a valid point if you stopped half way through.
You are free to disagree, but I don’t feel I would have been able to complete my point without the second half.
Thanks, saved me having to write that. There is a lot of valid criticism women can level against “the modern man”, depending on the culture they live in. But this is not it. I have never heard of a guy claiming to be of higher status and cussing off a woman who rejected him. Maybe we sometimes think we’re higher status than a woman or whatever, but then again we do that with other men too. It’s a human thing, not a gender thing. Women most definitely categorize men into lower and higher strata subconsciously too, if nothing else.
I’m also glad to hear from someone else who is seeing what I’m seeing.
I feel sometimes that the level of discourse around here needs an upgrade.
“I, as a man, have never encountered this scenario myself. Therefore, it is completely made up and reason to be further misogynistic.” Is all I saw there brother.
You’re probably in good company then, but should still strive to do a lot better.
You’ve never seen the “I wouldn’t even date you” negging, where adult-aged boys try to trick women into pleading their case to the kid?
I think I go to the bar 2 or 3 times a year, and I’ve seen it several times. I’m glad that doesn’t seem to be as much of a thing in the gay community, at least that I’ve seen.
It depends on who the male character in the comic is supposed to be. If it’s in that setting, then yeah I can imagine it happening.
I was thinking about MGTOWs and internet personalities who use words like “high value male/female”, and my interpretation of this comic is that this is supposed to be satire of them. If that’s what the comic artist was going for then, I believe my criticism is deserved.
If it’s referencing immature men saying “I wouldn’t even date you” to women they actually find attractive, well, I haven’t seen it myself by I can imagine it happening. That’s however not what I was thinking about addressing this comic.
The comic is a bit ambiguous about what it’s talking about specifically.
Oh great…the 4channers are here…
Wrong. Try again.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
This is one of the most prominent parts of manosphere ideology, and they are not quiet about it or shy about sharing it. We used to call it “negging”. This comic is pointing out the absurdity of toxic men thinking they are too good for most women.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child.
I have no idea what the reality is for this cartoonist, nor do I care, but you’ve managed to make three misogynistic value judgments in one short sentence, which is kind of impressive in a sad and pathetic way. First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother. Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men. Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own.
Maybe not, but it sure comes off as an endorsement of their values.
Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
Dude. You are the guy in the comic.
First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother.
Single motherhood is not easy, and I have sympathy for any woman who has become a single mother with no power of her own. The critique is not aimed at single motherhood, but rather at women who make (selfish) decisions in life that leaves the children without a father. It cannot be understated how damaging that can be for her children.
One reason why I said that certain internet personalities deserve criticism on their own is that they advocate for men engaging in promiscuity and cause the same problems that these personalities claim they dislike.
Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men.
Yes, it’s a factor that men will judge a woman by. It makes sense, because a more extensive past will more likely affect a future relationship.
Men should be held to a higher standard as well, I don’t disagree with that.
Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents. It’s clear that single motherhood is not something to be desired, neither for the children nor the mothers themselves. Many single mothers are complaining, on the internet about this, so it’s strange that you are trying to defend them by claiming that there is no issue to complain about…
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
I wasn’t talking about the cartoonist. I was talking about the made up characters that supposedly reflect reality. When someone sees this comic, it’s most likely that they don’t think about who drew it. They will likely see the comic in isolation from the artist, just like I did.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents.
By who? Where?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2930824/
That’s like the one thing in his rant that he’s not wrong about
Just, eww!! Fucking eeewww!! 🤮
Sorry for the unfamiliar opinions. Do you need me to call a doctor?
Yeah, uh no, not unfamiliar. See the above comic. You are in it and it’s got your panties all in a twist apparently.
People who need some professional assistance will do that shit you’re talking about.
I was emoting how sick you make me feel, when one of you randomly creeps up. And especially when you think anyone cares about your weird ideals, for any gender.
I think the problem is that you think I’m arguing in bad faith, and I’m not. Nor is anything that I said that controversial.
No offense, but I think you really need to touch some grass.
Oh my. Well since I only get on here periodically, I think YOU should get your Very Own Personal Tag!
Then, if you’re still around after I unblock you, I’ll get to see your fancy lil tag if you shownup, and remember how sensitive you got over a comic. That you coulda’ just ignored ffs.
Stop. Get some help.
Take your own advice, kiddo.
Wow, some folks need to remember that online life isn’t real life…
Please, go touch some grass before you scare some normie by talking about your favorite/most-hated web comic.
pizzacakecomics has actually accurately portrayed the way men are treated before:
Is this genuine and unaltered? I’d have assumed it was an edit.
Yep, I think the comic was called talk. Here’s another unedited pizzacake slide that shows how women act towards men who’ve done nothing wrong. This one is extra credit because, to her audience, the guy in this is the villain:
Full context to that panel:
How does she look more reasonable when taken out of context?
Because you can excuse your shitty behaviour to anyone for anything if you make enough excuses to yourself.
Guilt free being a cunt. It’s not your problem you’re a cunt to someone, you’re innocent!
Since we’re adding context, I’ll also point out that her community largely views the last guy as worse than any of the first guys.
Why does her actually interesting work never get posted here?
Truthfully she doesn’t have a lot of interesting comics, most of it is very mediocre.
Burn the witch! To the town square
As someone who used to be a guy… this hits
It’s even better in it full context
I wonder if you’ve really never seen this panel in its original context, or if you’re just a troll. My money is on the latter.
First panel of that comic here
Ah. And I thought the artist had actually made a good point.
I see you, dutifully trying to cover all the slight and misinformation in here with proper attributions and context.
It must be exhausting.
Thanks for effort, and don’t forget to breathe and keep hydrated. Thanks for trying to hold community together.
The context is that pizzacake knows how men get treated and then tries to say that it’s all hypothetical.
You think the treatment of men by women is bad? Wait till your whole family dies, and then other men tell you to suck it up.
Or tell you to “keep the peace.”
