Matthew 5:34-37
34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one
So who introduced the oath of secrecy?
Thanks again.
they put absolutely minimal work into it
I don’t believe this. The small shareholders do, but not the ones who choose the board.
The Waltons have to stay up to date unless they accept that Amazon takes over. Likewise, Bezos will work to keep his company in the lead.
Bezos bought a big house in Washington, not Florida. He will be busy all day most of the days.
JD?
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Thanks for the insights. I thought it was only Stalin who decided to collectivice the farming.
With stocks for instance the owners typically arent involved in the operation
Those are not the real owners but people who rent money.
There are always shareholders who control the board and who make the ultimate decisions. They decide when they want to meet but nevertheless I don’t think that they do much more than managing their companies which includes networking. So even when they don’t work, they will be ‘on’. No pity, they are rewarded more than enough.
I should have looked it up before. I don’t remember my original source.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
The red army had 6 million out of 280 million citizens of the USSR. So it’s a bit more.
and often the company does worse when the owners get involved
How long do those companies exist? If owners just skim, I would expect most companies to dissolve sooner than later.
What’s the reason? Does this come from a different pain tolerance or do women like pain? And if women in general like pain, why?
From my experience, hot water keeps me focussed on the shower and allows me to relax while I shower less hot if I want to just quickly get clean.
Could it be that it is not so much the pain but that men in general don’t like the shower taking their focus?
“medic” and “plumber”
My point is that the Capitalists manage the rate at which workers learn about the left point of view so that the chance of them reaching a ctitical mass for change is very low.
It’s definitely not a deliberate misunderstanding.
consumerism is driven by a necessity for Capitalists to sell more commodities. It isn’t the choice of individuals, but the underlying Capitalist system
Yes. By the same logic, Capitalists need consumers to stay calm and to not change the system.
How can the Capitalist system be changed if people don’t act on individual choices?
Finally, Leftists do reach people, with action. It isn’t a “trap.”
They reach some. Do they reach enough?
Which all go back to the white army losing.
Yes, I mean the Tsarist army. But you are right, my knowledge of history is limited.
Workers are consumers, they get their means to live through being paid wages.
That’s not what I mean with consumers. Consumers spend their money against their interest, to fulfill emotional needs that were highlighted by advertising. I don’t think that I have mentioned advertising before, but I actually think that this type of advertising won’t happen in a socialist country.
When I say your point on TikTok is Idealist, I mean it in the philosophical way, in opposition to Materialism. Idealism is wrong, it’s the concept of thoughts and ideas being the primary mover, not material reality.
I think that’s also how I understood it.
My point is that the mindset of people have changed and thoughts have become the primary movers.
The reason I say yours is idealist is because you’ve invented a problem that doesn’t exist, tik tok does not change the material base, being workers who spend their wages on goods.
Workers are not workers who rationally spend their money on products that have the most benefit to them. Those people are now consumers. They spend their money on stuff that is supposed to make them happy which induces the need to accept the current system. A revolution becomes a threat.
The answers of the “bros” like government supplied girlfriends are not worth considering.
But the motivations are. What do those people want and why do they prefer it over the offer from the left.
but that screams that you haven’t ever engaged with Leftist theory. Knowing leftist theory leads to action, not inaction.
Action means nothing if it doesn’t reach people. As I said, truth becomes a trap if it leads to ineffective action.
Overall I agree with two exceptions.
The Russian civil war was fought with 1% or 2% of the population. It’s not the majority that fights to own things.
Owning means to constantly think for the company and constantly try to optimize it. There is no time off. It’s a job on its own that is more than just skimming the profits.
I would argue that people in general don’t want ownership or we would have many more cooperatives.
The White Army was specific to Russia, not all Socialist states like China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.
If I remember correctly, Mao was supported by Stalin. I assume something similar for any other revolution. Outside support is needed.
Look at Syria. Assad was in control and it took massive outside support to let the opposition win. Who is going to support a socialist revolution today?
Workers were always consumers.
Not like today, where brains are addicted to TikTok and shopping. Workers could work less but they shop more. That’s not considered in the original theory.
As Capitalism decays, proletarianization increases even in the Imperialist countries, and thus reception to Socialism increases.
Will it reach critical mass?
There is no “mental problem that cannot be solved,” this is quite literally inventing a problem that exists purely in your head. Idealism to a T.
Exactly. Consumers are trapped there. The left cannot handle this because it absolutely contradicts their mindset. This alone will prevent any further progress towards socialism.
Broism is a reaction to proletarianization, combined with patriarchial culture. It ignores analysis and goes for vibes-based solutions, which is why all bro-culture is incoherent and contradictory.
Correct. ‘Ignoring the material ones’ means ignoring analysis while vibe-based solution corresponds with ‘mental issues’. My point is that Broism looks at aspects of the current situation to which the left analysis is blind. Calling it a reaction already frames it as not worth considering.
The left analysis in itself is correct. That doesn’t change anything if the consumers are not listening. Knowing the truth is a mental trap if it leads to ineffective action.
Ok, that’s clearer and more to the functional point than unity.
My perspective is that people are driven by emotions. Is ownership something in itself that people want? I would say that it is just a tool.
None. I rather change myself than wasting time on changing something that won’t last forever anyway.
Not now but soon: lemmy.
Make the logout random. This creates addiction which will turn lemmy into mindcrack.
I agree. My point is that the right-wing workers also don’t want a fascist state. Thus there is common ground to prevent it together.
A repressive small state is a strawman. Done right a small state is not repressive.
Conspiracy theories are an outlet. People need a reason for why society is not as good as they feel it could be.
Most people blame the other political party. But that doesn’t work for everybody. The mind keeps looking until it finds a reason, and then it fades out all arguments that oppose it.
We laugh about conspiracy theorists, but most have the same mindset, just with socially acceptable topics.