What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they’re hell bent on global destruction.
The end game is a cyberpunk-esque corporate controlled future. No government, only companies/the owning class deciding what’s happening. Yes, slavery essentially, because people have to work for them to survive, but that’s already done. No “less work” savings because of rising productivity, only more and more money/power centralized in them.
These guys aren’t corporate though
I’d rather kill myself, and I have plans on how.
I don’t want you to kill yourself. But I hope your plan includes taking a few billionaires with you :D
No, just blowing up somewhere quiet that won’t do too much damage, but I did think about it, and it’s unrealistic. I just want a plan B for when things become intolerable. I won’t be a slave.
i know people are uncomfortable hearing this, but i am the same way. I’m already barely making it to work most days due to disability, i would probably literally get worked to death anyway. might as well spare them some satisfaction.
The government is the only one stopping me from buying a small patch of woodland and building a cabin there to live in. Get rid of that and suddenly I no longer have a reason to work more than a handful of hours a month.
How is the government stopping you?
It is illegal to do so. You cannot live on your own land for more than 28 days of the year unless they give you permission to live on it. Which of course a house comes with that permission, a patch of woodland does not.
Can you live in a tent, yurt, van or other non-permanent structure?
Not for more than 28 days of the year. Non-consecutive isn’t a way around that. People have tried and some do get away with it but others get caught and usually any structure has to be demolished and land seized.
Realistically 29 days no one is going to bother you about it but when its clear you are living there that is when they will most likely turn up.
The hour is later than we know regarding climate change. Authoritarianism is the only way for governments to maintain control for as long as possible, protecting the powerful.
Collapse of civilization is right around the corner.
Collapse of civilization is right around the corner.
I wouldn’t be so sure. History is filled with examples of power grabs that endured for generations.
The ability to grow, store, and distribute grains at scale is necessary for the continued existence of civilization. Climate change will destroy this in short order. Once that ability is gone, so will be civilization.
There is no tomorrow.
Countries like the PRC are making vast strides in the way of fighting climate change and emissions. We won’t be able to avoid all of the consequences of climate change, but we can minimize the damage and develop methods of environmental engineering.
All these US-centric answers. Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends.
No shit it’s us centric answers op asked what the plan was for the “leaders” in the us
4 channer said to not do that.
Also mentioned most business are fake or provide fake materials, probably why buildings are made of tofu in china
As a map some days ago showed, Canada, Greenland, Panama, probably Israel, maybe even Ukrain - it’s all about shipping lanes.
All that effort makes sense if there is the believe that global trade will increase and that the USA will still be relevant when the center of the global population is in Asia.
So extinction is not the goal but could be an accepted risk.
I think once the singularity is reached with AI, it will quickly be able to take over all systems (including banking). I believe that it will be benevolent and will help humanity reach enlightenment. Most people will get an early retirement. But, some people such as Musk, Zuck, Bezos, will be considered essential and will be required to assist the AI and their robot armies in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. I’m thinking we would only need about 1% of the population to work at that time, the top 1% are the best candidates.
I doubt AI will ever have it’s own will. First to get their hands on ASI, becomes God forever.
EDIT: Imagine a beyond human AI, restoring life to everyone who has ever lived, and making more life, just so it can inflict beyond-comprehensible torture, just doing whatever is the opposite of good. If possible, forever.
Why would it waste resources doing these unnecessary tasks?
Its fascinating that millenarians have now latched on to software developed for fraud and generating non-consensual pornography.
Total Control. That’s really what it’s all about. They want to control the narrative, they want to control the markets, they want to control every little bit that there is left that hasn’t been touched. What they want is a dystopia and they’re gearing moreso into realizing that dystopia than they ever been.
Ever heard of Shadowrun? The TTRPG? That’s what things are gearing towards, just take away the interesting and cool aspects from Shadowrun and you basically have reality right now as we know it.
Shadowrun or Eclipse Phase, either way it’s not good. I’d like the tech from the latter, but not the rest of the setting.
It would be a whole lot cooler if we had actual dragons hoarding all this, as opposed to metaphorical ones.
I would have said the Cyberpunk TTRPG. Shadowrun was basically Cyberpunk with magic.
Cyberpunk even predicted this
The disappointing answer is that it’s going to be very similar to how things are now, just with fewer rights and more repression around the edges. Almost all of Project 2025’s policies are things that this nation has used in the past or is using today to a lesser degree - voter suppression, rollback of labor rights and civil liberties. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer, but that was happening long before Trump.
Oligarchs replace most government functions with private entities that they have equity in and funnel tax dollars into their own companies. It looks like they’re trying to cause a depression too, so they can buy everything up for cheap (farms, homes, etc). I think they’re stupid, but not stupid enough to not realize an economic depression coupled with gutting social safety nets will lead to massive crime waves and riots; so I’m guessing they’re planning on a police state and work camps for people they arrest (think that’s what they’re going to do with many of the immigrants too).
I’ve heard it postulated they are realigning with Russia and other dictators because we’d lose our normal allies if we became such a society. And they probably have very lucrative deals with Russia as well.
I sucks we don’t have a good, inspiring opposition party or something to lead or rally around. Without that, anger will just manifest as unorganized, unproductive riots and violence. “Conservatives” are still pretty brainwashed too; believing whatever they’re told by media. They will support the government gunning down and enslaving “criminals,” at this point in time. I’d hope that changes when things get hard, but media will work hard to redirect the blame.
Postulated? Russia openly announced this yesterday. Krasonov is in the house.
It’s a coalition of crazy. It isn’t entirely clear who is going to be in control of what or for how long. It could get very messy.
Simple. We are on the express to cyberpunk (the literary genre).
Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a dystopian futuristic setting said to focus on a combination of “low-life and high tech”. It features futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cyberware, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.
Cyberpunk plots often involve conflict between artificial intelligence, hackers, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a near-future Earth…
When an empire can’t expand, by means of territory, knowledge, or other means; it turns inwards on its own people and territories in a last ditch effort to survive, as it lunges towards its inevitable collapse.
The rate of profit continues to decline because of overcapitalization. Factions are aligning to decapitalize rivals in order to increase their own rate of profit.
Also, they’re all manic and dissasociated.
I don’t think they know for sure where it will end up but no matter what it will be, it will be brilliant, it will be the greatest, and it will have been the plan all along.
Rich people like to keep their money. So the only objective right now is to dismantle the oversight within government. It’s not government efficiency they’re after but removal of impediments to big business interests. That’s the Melon side of the plan. It’s his ROI. It’s also is MO. Tabula Rasa everything and then build anew. It didn’t work for Twitter. I don’t think it will work for a federal government. We’ve already seen lots of unintended side effects. Oops, we fired the guys who look after the nukes. Lives will be lost here and there but, cynically, not enough to mobilize the masses.
It is of course worrying that Trump said as much as wanting to enlarge the US again. I’m not sure yet if that’s just a dead cat he’s thrown on table to distract us from Melon or if that’s really the plan. It worried the US NATO ally Denmark enough to massively increase their defense budget over Greenland. Trump likes to be contrarian. He feeds off the stir he causes. He never built the wall, Mexico never paid for it. But he reveled in the reactions. Greenland could be a similar thing but I’m not sure yet.
It’s worrying me the amount of sh!t the lgbtq+ community is getting, especially the T. There is danger there. I don’t think Trump cares an awful lot about this issue, he just likes it as a way to unite the sleepy, the anti-woke behind him. But there are people behind him and with power now that do care, that do want to please their leader. And that creates a maelstrom of zealous a-holes trying to one-up each other with cruelty to score browny points with the boss. When I think this through, I fear citizen liberty is most under threat here.
I don’t believe a world war with nukes is what they’re after. You cannot really prosper as a corporation if the planet is barely habitable due to the radiation and the nuclear winter. It would be bad for Wall Street. But they wouldn’t mind a few conflicts comparable to Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine. While nukes have been threatened, they haven’t been used. So it’s a conventional war and that’s good for arms manufacturers.
In simple terms, Trump’s cozying up to Vlad actually decreases the threat of a world war III, at least in the short term. It reduces the number of trouble hotspots. There were big ones between the US and Russia (until January 25) and between the US and China. Trump parroting Kremlin talking points and showing the rest of NATO the middle finger reduces hotspots with Russia. Russia is on relatively friendly terms with China and could probably meditate issues between China and the US. At least in the short term, that’s not a bad thing. But it isn’t stable. It remains to be seen if Europe plus Canada plus X can fill the vacuum and that would reignite hotspots with Russia again.
I do agree that climate change poses a threat. I don’t think the billionaires worry so much about it beyond buying New Zealand and blanketing it with villas with bunkers. But it is a threat to maintaining order when the people get hit with more severe tornados, droughts, etc. Best way to maintain order is an authoritarian government.
End game is to go on yet another settler genocidal war to appease the imperial core working class.
Paranoia can tell you anything you don’t control is a threat - whether it’s another country, a race, a personality type, lack of web privacy, whatever. The MAGA leaders are so drenched in that paranoia, there’s really no limit to what they might do to squash anyone and anything they see as a possible threat to them.
