Same goes for the first claim, right? Both commenters made a statement: One said it’s healthier the other said it’s causing cancer, neither has a source.
Probably because we still require quite a few more years of long term effects. We all just kinda hope it isn’t worse. In the mean time, it could make it easier to quit, though the abundance of different “flavors” has made it much harder for me to quit. Cigarettes taste bad which made it easier when I was younger to quit.
right. people has been smoking for centuries and it’s side effects has been observed and studied quite well. this new vaping thing come in different forms, size,and flavour and each cartridge does not contain only nicotine;there are harmful chemicals in there depending on how cheap it has been manufactured. all these elements work together that make vaping potentially more harmful than smoking
It only makes it through one small paragraph (which is itself a vague lie) before its first specific and ridiculous lie: claiming that a hookah is an early form of vape 🤦
It then links to a 2019 study of mice that, in spite of setting out with a clear confirmation bias, admits that their results showed more cases of cancer-like cell behavior in the mice subjected to tobacco than the ones subjected to e-liquid.
Add to that the fact that they don’t reveal their methodology (beyond the fact that they subjected the mice to their experiments for a full year, which is much longer than most people tend to vape when using it for smoking cessation) and that study is basically useless for proving the hypothesis.
The heavy metals inhalation they then go on to warn about is impossible in real life conditions as the heat required for that to happen simply cannot be achieved by the suction power any human can achieve and, even if you could somehow achieve that, you’d suffer severe burns causing you to stop immediately.
I’m 100% with you on the health stuff, but out of genuine curiosity:
its first specific and ridiculous lie: claiming that a hookah is an early form of vape
It is, though? You might think of an e-cig when you hear “vape” but it’s short for “vaporization” or “vaporizer”, which are actually different from smoking.
In smoking you light the material itself on fire and draw the smoke produced by the active incineration of the material into your lungs.
In vaping you heat the air around a substance (even loose plant material) and cause the actual material to vaprize, not incinerate, and you inhale that vapor, not smoke.
The key differences being a lack of tar and similar gunk from the actual flame, despite seeming like a mere semantic difference there are actual physical differences.
It’s been a while since I saw a hookah in action, but my understanding is that they heat up the air with charcoal and that you then draw that past the tobacco and through water before it goes into your lungs. That’s the exact same thing my Ditanium desktop vaporizer does, except it uses a quartz heater and not charcoal. The plant matter itself doesn’t burn, so no tar. Maybe some from the charcoal, but even then the claim that it’s an early version of what is today called vaping is probably a fair assessment.
Good lookin’ all around except I’d dispute this claim:
(beyond the fact that they subjected the mice to their experiments for a full year, which is much longer than most people tend to vape when using it for smoking cessation)
Only actual study I have ever seen that even posits a reasonable way that vaping increases your risk of cancer is if you’re using shitty burnt out coils or overamping and basically inhaling atomized metals from the coil.
Basically its the equivalent of smoking a cigarette down to the filter.
It is not hard to keep your tank mostly full and swap out coils in a timely manner these days. Coil design, amount of electricity used and the juice itself have all changed to make it a lot more difficult for the burning up and inhaling your coil situation to happen.
unfortunately vaping is causing cancer which again unfortunately kill you faster than smoking
That’s literally the opposite of the truth.
Smoking tobacco is the world’s number one lifestyle cause of premature deaths in general and cancer in particular.
Meanwhile, there’s no credible evidence that vaping causes cancer at all, let alone at the extreme rate that tobacco smoking does.
LOL, based on which study?
Same goes for the first claim, right? Both commenters made a statement: One said it’s healthier the other said it’s causing cancer, neither has a source.
Probably because we still require quite a few more years of long term effects. We all just kinda hope it isn’t worse. In the mean time, it could make it easier to quit, though the abundance of different “flavors” has made it much harder for me to quit. Cigarettes taste bad which made it easier when I was younger to quit.
right. people has been smoking for centuries and it’s side effects has been observed and studied quite well. this new vaping thing come in different forms, size,and flavour and each cartridge does not contain only nicotine;there are harmful chemicals in there depending on how cheap it has been manufactured. all these elements work together that make vaping potentially more harmful than smoking
more time are need for the side effects of vaping to be better understood but it ain’t safer than smoking. actually there are other diseases related to vaping than the traditional smoking.here is the article https://thancguide.org/2020/08/the-journey/patients-journey/how-is-vaping-connected-to-oral-cancer/
TL;DR: That article is absolute garbage.
It only makes it through one small paragraph (which is itself a vague lie) before its first specific and ridiculous lie: claiming that a hookah is an early form of vape 🤦
It then links to a 2019 study of mice that, in spite of setting out with a clear confirmation bias, admits that their results showed more cases of cancer-like cell behavior in the mice subjected to tobacco than the ones subjected to e-liquid.
Add to that the fact that they don’t reveal their methodology (beyond the fact that they subjected the mice to their experiments for a full year, which is much longer than most people tend to vape when using it for smoking cessation) and that study is basically useless for proving the hypothesis.
The heavy metals inhalation they then go on to warn about is impossible in real life conditions as the heat required for that to happen simply cannot be achieved by the suction power any human can achieve and, even if you could somehow achieve that, you’d suffer severe burns causing you to stop immediately.
I mean, hookah was an early form of vaping. You use coals to indirectly heat tobacco to vaporize the nicotine and flavor carrier.
Everything else is accurate, though.
I’m 100% with you on the health stuff, but out of genuine curiosity:
It is, though? You might think of an e-cig when you hear “vape” but it’s short for “vaporization” or “vaporizer”, which are actually different from smoking.
In smoking you light the material itself on fire and draw the smoke produced by the active incineration of the material into your lungs.
In vaping you heat the air around a substance (even loose plant material) and cause the actual material to vaprize, not incinerate, and you inhale that vapor, not smoke.
The key differences being a lack of tar and similar gunk from the actual flame, despite seeming like a mere semantic difference there are actual physical differences.
It’s been a while since I saw a hookah in action, but my understanding is that they heat up the air with charcoal and that you then draw that past the tobacco and through water before it goes into your lungs. That’s the exact same thing my Ditanium desktop vaporizer does, except it uses a quartz heater and not charcoal. The plant matter itself doesn’t burn, so no tar. Maybe some from the charcoal, but even then the claim that it’s an early version of what is today called vaping is probably a fair assessment.
The funny thing is that vapes don’t actually vaporize; they atomize.
Good lookin’ all around except I’d dispute this claim:
Only actual study I have ever seen that even posits a reasonable way that vaping increases your risk of cancer is if you’re using shitty burnt out coils or overamping and basically inhaling atomized metals from the coil.
Basically its the equivalent of smoking a cigarette down to the filter.
It is not hard to keep your tank mostly full and swap out coils in a timely manner these days. Coil design, amount of electricity used and the juice itself have all changed to make it a lot more difficult for the burning up and inhaling your coil situation to happen.
Yeah, they torched a CE4 cartridge at over 5V for 90 seconds with no airflow.
Of course it’s going to produce harmful chemicals when it’s literally on fire.
Fuck off, tobacco troll.