I had In The House - In A Heartbeat playing in my head while making this meme
sorry for the pixelation in the corner, I used a shitty website which put a watermark there
Supposedly New Zealand straight-up denies people for ever recieving psychiatric help. It’s insane. I’m wondering about the shit show that’s going to happen when LGBT, POC and disabled Americans are actually forced to start fleeing the US, only to find that countries tend to have laws against US citizens seeking refuge, against people with disabilities immigrating, etc.
Most Americans don’t realize that the U.S. is by far the easiest developed country to immigrate to, by a country mile. It’s still an incredibly difficult feat, but our standards are really, really low. For most developed countries, you’ll need to have a specialized, useful education, a significant amount of capital on-hand, a clean bill of health, and you’ll need to learn a new language.
My “plan” for a Trump election is to try and get a student visa to complete my PhD in neuroscience, and then I’ll overstay and escape to the European wilderness as an illegal immigrant. I wouldn’t hold my breath for a promise of asylum.
Most European countries offer PhDs in English and have a rule where if you actually graduate in that country and get a job in the same field, you can stay.
If you can afford to pay for the school. Even the nations that have free universities only offer it for courses taught in the native tongue.
Of course, educational cost is so absurd in America right now that can still be cheaper. US federal education grants can even be received in some of those countries.
education is often free or very much affordable in Europe. did you ever hear about Europeans having student loans?
Yeah. I’m absolutely fucked. See you on the other side I guess.
No it’s not?
Awwwww there goes that plan.
Belgium, Germany, Spain, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, France to name a few. Also Mexico for some reason
Did you actually look or are you just upset?
me after I accidentally spread misinformation on the internet
It happens! You’re learning!
You can edit the post with *apparently not all countries
As a German, afaik if you want to permanently move to germany you need to prove that you can support yourself financially (or someone else will?), so you will need a job offer and or some savings.
There is no requirement to not be disabled, but being disabled could make fulfilling those requirements more difficult.
This is true for the US as well. It’s why legal immigration into the US isn’t as easy as people would try to pretend. Other than a student visa, you are required to have a sponsor. Whether that be a family member or significant other that can support you, or a place of business that is going to be paying you a salary so a person can support themselves.
There are also limitations based on country of origin. Some countries don’t have that much “competition” when it comes to people applying for citizenship, so they can get through the process quickly. Other countries have huge populations of people attempting to immigrate, causing year of delays on processing paperwork. That is why “illegal” immigration is so common in the US. The process is bogged down in bureaucracy and paperwork, all of which generally require time/money/legal representation. Something a majority of US citizens could not afford if they had to do so to stay in the country.
It seems like half the planet dislikes disabled people, really
Australia & New Zealand deny immigrants with an autism diagnosis!
Source? Fucking wild
Any significant disability…
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/world/asia/04iht-doctor.1.17504311.html
Not defending the policy (it’s indefensible) but as per that article there was a single case 20 years ago of a rejection because of Autism which was overturned. So I don’t think it’s fair to say Australia doesn’t allow people with Autism diagnoses to immigrate.
Outliers are not the rule
There are rules (enforced) and there are rules (unenforced). This is still a bad rule, and needs to be fixed. But we can still acknowledge that they’re doing a good thing by ignoring it.
Wait, who what now? I’m not aware of any extra immigration requirements based on your health situation. I certainly didn’t get asked when I was a migrant.
To where? If you migrate to Canada you have to pass medical exam and all
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It makes sense if you remember that the universal healthcare system is insurance.
So if you are trying to migrate without a job but with an expensive disabillity and little money, then you are just a liabillity to the healthcare system.
And since the country is under no obligation to pay for the care, there is no reason for them to do so.
It is just basic resource management, you may not like it, but it is reality, regardless of what political system the country uses.
Except people don’t move to a country expecting to not ever work… God forbid we pay for someone WhO DoEsNt DeSeRvE iT until they can get up to speed and on their feet…
We’re such assholes, especially us in the US…
You are absolutely correct, most people want to work when they can, but look at it from the government’s perspective, if they see a severely disabled person in his 50s with zero education, zero knowledge of the language wanting to migrate to the country, what they see is just an expense with few prospects of being able to contribute enough to offset the cost of treating/managing his disabillities.
He may be an absolute genious, but that is not known at the time, the government also must consider that any resources spent on this person can’t be spent on someone else.
So in this case the financial argument is clearly against accepting the person, based on the information the government has, the person should be rejected.
In a purely financial world, that would be it, but luckily we live in a world with more incentives than purely greed.
Taking in the person will generate goodwill in some parts of the world, that might be reason enough to do it, or perhaps the person has valuable information that could also be reason to let them in, perhaps this person is part of a political party in his original country that you want to remain good friends with, then this is an excellent opportunity to show support.
All of this is extermely cold and calculating, I absolutely conceede that, but a government can selldom afford to let feelings dictate policy.
Even governments showing compassion do it for their own gain, it’s good PR!
This is reality, and it is better to face it and deal with it than to fight with an immaginary entity.
There’s lots that do, and not everyone will be capable of contributing. What about a mother of two kids with autism? She can’t work, will spend all her time caring for her kids who will into ever be a burden on the system.
Every system is abused, that’s why they have limitations.
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Uhh no it doesn’t, why are you assuming that? How does preventing people coming in spend millions and save thousands?
if you are trying to migrate without a job but with an expensive disabillity and little money, then you are just a liabillity to the healthcare system.
And since the country is under no obligation to pay for the care, there is no reason for them to do so
It is just basic resource management, you may not like it, but it is reality
No. Just no. People aren’t numbers on a spreadsheet. That’s some capitalism mind rot.
In this case we are numbers on a spreadsheet, we may not like it, but all nations have limited resorces, and need to practice resource management.
This goes for both capitalism and communism.
Anything else would be to deny reality.
However different governments use different metrics to approve or deny new citizens, but all boil down to if it is worth it to the country.
all nations have
limited resorcesartificial scarcity, andneedchoose topractice resource managementdeny resources from those that need them most on behalf of those that already have mostThere, fixed it for you.
This goes for both capitalism and communism.
Which everyone knows are the two only economic systems possible 🙄
Anything else would be to deny
realitythe dominant orthodoxyFixed it for you again. You’re really guzzling that “my masters know best” kool-aid.
all boil down to if it is worth it to the country.
The fundamental purpose of governments is to maximize the well-being of the citizens and other inhabitants. When the government’s aims are in conflict with the well-being of the people, the government has failed.
Automatically rejecting people as worthwhile based on putting them in one column or the other on a spreadsheet is a particularly grievous failure.
Well you sure do live up to your nickname, being all hippie, but why are you fighting me?
I just explained the reasons why a country would need a medical checkup of anyone moving there.
I am just an IT guy, I don’t set policy.
The taxes people (in Australia) pay to finance public healthcare are numbers on a spreadsheet and we don’t have unlimited money.
I guess it is about proving that you can provide for yourself otherwise you won’t be allowed to permanently stay. But this doesn’t really have anything to do with the healthcare system. Just a guess.
Lots of places have this, I wouldn’t be able to be a Canadian citizen because of it.
Okay, so that’s two for Canada, one for “you have to prove you have a job or resources to support yourself, but no specific health care requirement”.
Gonna guess this is a Canadian thing, then? Or at least a thing in some places but definitely not “all the countries with good health care”.
I’ve only looked at Canada and Japan personally, but I can add that Japan also does this. The process of immigrating is to effectively prove you’ll be a net positive on their economy if you live there, limiting disability is one way they can do that.
Well, hey, all I can say is that’s not how it works either in my home country or in the other place where I lived as a long term resident, and I am glad that’s the case. Over here even undocumented migrants have a right to health care, which was not uncontroversial but is definitely the right call.
Yes illegal migrants have access, as well as do everyone else in those places like people taking in during war.
The topic is specifically about people immigrating to those places from a country without soical nets, to a place with social nets, where they can only take from the system and never put back.
Illegal migrants and people accepted during wars, WILL eventually contribute to society. Immigrants that are already disabled is something else entirely.
No it’s not. First of all, there is no requirement to be healthy to be able to be a migrant here. That’s not a thing in either my home country or the country I personally moved to. Both of those place have “social nets”.
I get being annoyed at the places where that is true, but why assume it’s universal? It clearly isn’t.
Or you just don’t understand the verbiage.
Which countries? I bet if we looked through there would be limitations.
Places with social net for people with disabilities don’t just want people coming in and being a burden on the system.
In theory, as a citizen you’ve paid your due in taxes until you became a burden.
I am VERY glad that’s not how we frame it here.
I mean, hey, yeah, being a place where people like to retire the issue does come up in conversation, but health care is a constitutional right, it is provided universally and even undocumented migrants are allowed to access most of the system. Makes sense to me. You get taxed a proportional amount of what you make, everybody gets the support they need. I have several family members that would likely not be alive right now without that principle and that’s how I wanted to be treated when I lived abroad, so I have no problem extending the same privilege to others.
Yay for socialdemocracy, I guess.
You’re free to go to those places if you can support yourself or be supported by someone else who would be paying into the system.
Too many people abuse the system, and they would need to increase everyone else’s taxes if they just let everyone in. Reality is, no one wants double the taxes and people leaching off the system, even if they would lie and say it publicly.
It’s not framing anything, that’s just reality, you’re free to bury your head in the sand and think elsewise, but all it does it prove how foolish and naive you are.
I’m not “burying my head in the sand”, I live in a country where we have a constitution that recognizes a universal right to health care and I vote for governments that maintain that, even for immigrants.
Our health care is fine, our economy is doing fine and I am absolutely fine with the taxes I pay, publicly and privately. I’ve told my accountant as much, and in the country I migrated to I paid less taxes, so I even gave up some opportunities for tax exemptions because they seemed unfair, given the privilege I had access to and the kindness I was granted as a guest.
You being a bad person doesn’t mean everybody else is or that not being a dick is “naive”, friend. Some of us just choose not to live that way with full understanding of the situation. I get why you wouldn’t want to acknowledge it if that’s not you because woof, that sure makes you sound… not great. But, you know, you can’t bury your head in the sand and think elsewise, that’d just prove how foolish and cynical you are.
It’s the same thing in those countries, that’s why they restrict who comes in so not a million people come in and be burdens. Where are you referring to? I bet there’s restrictions and you just don’t know about them.
I think there is some thought going on about what it means as a society to discriminate against people with disabilities during immigration.
It seems like the US would have a similar problem with people moving between states that had medicaid expansion and ones that do not. I don’t know if there are any studies on the issue.
Discriminating during immigration based on a congenital disability feels like discriminating based on race to me.
As a skilled worker with a kidney transplant, I am painfully aware of this.
Skill issue, should’ve been born in one of those countries
Damnit im stuck in america
U S A! U S A! U S…
wait…
This is not true
To the extent that Denmark’s international obligations, including the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, require it, the Immigration Service grants exemptions from (that is to say, you will not need to meet) one or more of the requirements for a permanent residence permit.
Imagine actually linking US policy on this topic
Edit: I’m dumb
REGARDLESS
Good luck with the application lol
USA better again, suck It rest of the world
Fat people in most countries: “I need to make sure I don’t get so bad that I can’t fit through this one-meter-wide door in a public building.”
Fat people in America: “I’M SUING THE CITY UNTIL THEY MAKE A LAW THAT REQUIRES ALL DOORS TO BE TWO-METERS WIDE!!”
Edit: The meme insinuates that good healthcare would have prevented the disability, so the first disability that came to mind was obesity. My comment doesn’t apply to everyone, obviously.
Oh, sorry, my bad. I wasn’t aware disabilities were easily curable with exercise.
Easily? Depends. But, yes, exercise does prevent and help heal quite a few disabilities.
Most disabilities aren’t like that though. In fact I actually think mental disorders are the most common these days. Though Arthritis (caused by age and genetics) is also very common.
Could I get an example of a disability healed by exercise? (Being fat isn’t a disability by itself)
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I believe you mean 72" wide. Like a fat American would know what the fuck a meter is. lol
Americans know what a meter is you twat nugget
In what area of the USA do you live where the average american knows what a meter is. You’ll get some nonsense like “about 3 feet”, maybe.
Where in the USA do you live where people don’t know what a meter is? If someone says “about three feet” then who the fuck cares? Is this person an engineer or being required to use an exact measurement to do a task? Otherwise it’s just trivia knowledge.
Americans might, but fat Cornfed Americans wouldn’t dare be that unpatriotic.
