BRB, on my way to withdraw all funding for an UN agency with 30.000 employees because 12 of them have been denounced by Israel.
Have they provided any proof yet?
The israeli “evidence” has been leaked and confirmed fake
But journalists from Sky News reviewed the so-called dossier and reported “The Israeli intelligence documents make several claims that Sky News has not seen proof of and many of the claims, even if true, do not directly implicate UNRWA.”
Britain’s Channel 4 also obtained the document and determined it “provides no evidence to support its explosive new claim that UNRWA staff were involved with terror attacks on Israel.” The Financial Times, which also reviewed the materials, reported there were specific allegations of direct participation in the October 7 attacks against four Palestinians employed by UNRWA, not 12 as originally asserted.
This was a transparent attempt by Israel to distract from the rulings in the ICJ genocide case and to obliterate a U.N. agency that Israel has long viewed as an impediment to its goal of denying Palestinians the right to return to the homes and territory from which Israel expelled them
The israeli “evidence” has been leaked and confirmed fake
Are the quotes you provided supposed to support the “confirmed fake” part of your comment?
Because “has not seen proof” and “provides no evidence” do not equate to “confirmed fake”.
The number of very online people who think countries share their intelligence with every Channel 4 news who asks is a little surprising.
No the evidence is fake. Evidence means that you can proof something happened which israel clearly can’t.
That’s bold considering all the things people on this site were so sure about only to be proven wrong weeks later.
For me, I’ll wait for the investigation to finish.
The “evidence” was already leaked and contained no proof whatsoever. Waiting must be convenient. Are we going to see the Hamas base under the hospital soon?
And it turned out israel lied almost every single time about almost everything.
But there is a problem with the gut-wrenching narratives that have bolstered the underlying justification for the slaughter of Gaza: They are either complete fabrications or have not been substantiated with a shred of evidence. Many have been thoroughly disproven by major Israeli media outlets.
Hamas had command tunnel under U.N. Gaza headquarters, Israeli military says
Reporters on the closely escorted trip entered a shaft next to a school on the periphery of the U.N. compound, descending to the concrete-lined tunnel. Twenty minutes of walking through the stifling hot, narrow and occasionally winding passage brought them underneath UNRWA Headquarters, an army lieutenant-colonel leading the tour said.
So, yeah. I think I’ll wait for the investigation to conclude.
They don’t need to provide any proof
https://theintercept.com/2024/02/07/gaza-israel-netanyahu-propaganda-lies-palestinians/
The evidence provided by Israel alleging that roughly a dozen UNRWA staffers participated in Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught is “highly credible,” US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Monday, as media outlets published additional details on the implicated employees, including photos from an Israeli dossier. “We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves. But they are highly, highly credible,” Blinken said during a press conference
Until the information is verified by neutral third parties, this gives me some WMDs in Iraq vibes.
Both Israel and the US have a history of lying to justify war crimes and crimes against humanity.
I used to have faith that bad people will eventually pay for their crimes. That the weight of their sins will crush them eventually. But these past decades have taught me that the new response to crushing weight of sin is to simply get a stronger spine.
Otoh, Blinken and Biden have parroted everything the IDF feeds them until independent journalists debunk it.
So we’ve cut funding without conducting any investigation. Great.
Remember the beheaded babies?
“We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves. But they are highly, highly credible,” Blinken said during a press conference
This sounds like something The Onion would have written.
I feel like this is a little too accurate for shitpost. I don’t know the proper sub for it, but it’s pretty true.
@snek@lemmy.world Maybe you could Crosspost this to !politicalmemes@lemmy.ca if you’re on mobile and don’t have crosspost button just make a new post using the same link as this post
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/20e095d5-b044-4e69-b1d7-486f63ac3037.pngand it’ll count as a crosspost. So long as it’s the same link.Feel free to do it yourself
Do you think they’d accept it on memes?
“Bad faith arguments” is not a reason to flag people in Lemmy Shitpost. Please do not abuse the flagging system again.
Then what good is your moderation? The whole fucking point of having you around is TO police bad faith arguing. That’s what mods are FOR.
Mods are for enforcing community rules. This is a shitpost community, not a debate community. The rules are very clear on the sidebar and ‘bad faith arguments’ is not one of them.
Feel free to find a different community if you want to report ‘bad faith arguments’ multiple times. If you do it here, I’m going to tell you to stop before I act. Because I prefer give warnings.
And you can’t enforce ANY rule without protecting your people against bad faith arguing. It’s a foundation of ALL communities, whether explicitly written in its guidelines or not, because meaningful debate is the foundation of ALL human interaction and is primarily what abuse and harassment is.
The needs of your people are more important than your laziness, selfishness, and unwillingness to do your job. Don’t like it? Step the fuck down. You go find a different community to play king over if you don’t like it.
Okay, I think you need to take a break. We’ll see you in a week. I wouldn’t advise telling another mod to ‘step the fuck down.’ They might be less lenient.
I wouldn’t advise telling another mod to ‘step the fuck down.’
“Dont tell people abusing their power that they are abusing their power or they might abuse their power”
Yeah you should probably step down if that is your opinion…
Omg, I thought Princess Leia would be more tolerant.
Really disappointed
The population should have handed over the evil Jedi to the Sith. The children in Alderaan were all complicit.
The weapons embargo in Alderaan prevented those people from handing over the Jedi. The Empire itself maintains that embargo! What were the people of Alderaan to do?
The Empire has a right to defend itself
While the real life situation this is based off is quite sad and upsetting…
This is hilarious beyond belief.
This is some brilliantly spicy stuff, OP. Well done, I love it!
But does she condemn Hamas??
“If you hate the death star so much, why don’t you go live on Alderaan?”
Oh good I was really thinking my shit posting community needed more agenda posts
that sweet copium around here, even on lemmy, that’s so sweet
How do I stop seeing propaganda on lemmy? It’s making me sick of lemmy as a whole
Lmfao imagine siding with a genocide
Indifference is unacceptable, you must care about the thing!
Sod off.
Indifference about genocide is not just unacceptable, it’s evil, you piece of shit.
You are simultaneously denying the Uyghur genocide on another thread, you fucking nasty little hypocrite.
Palestinians are being murdered and ethnically cleansed in the tens of thousands. Thousands are dying weekly and this is being documented. We are seeing the people dying. We saw with our eyes Israel destroy all requisites for life in the Gaza and prevent all food and water from entering.
On the other hand we have seen quite literally nothing supporting the claim that China is committing Uygher genocide. Literally nothing. Uygher people continue to live normally in Xinjiang. They continue to practice their allegedly repressed culture. They continue to communally practice their allegedly repressed religion. Uygher genocide only exists in the propaganda of the United States state department and the minds of those it influences and those it employs.
We haven’t seen “literally nothing”. That is a flat lie. There is a ton of evidence, presented by organisations who you choose to call liars because it allows you to deny the truth. There are non US affiliated organisations calling the Party out, too. A true humanist would not dismiss the evidence of the Xinjiang genocide. Both the Palestinians and the Uyghurs are facing genocide, and you’re petty enough to be tribal about it. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you monstrous cunt.
We have in fact seen absolutely no evidence that China is committing genocide in Xinjiang. None.
Oh look, a Lemmy.ml user acting like a prick. How unprecedented.
Nobody owes you their attention.
I hate Israel. I hate Palestine. I hate the discourse. I hate fucking EVERYTHING.
Being made to think about war every day for years on end is destroying my mental health. I can’t use a computer, watch TV, or go outside without it shoved down my throat. I can’t even go to sleep without having nightmares about it. I want off this fucking ride. I hate being alive so fucking much.
Palestine supporters are fairly unique in the fact that not caring or not having a position is unacceptable to them. You must care, you must share their viewpoint, nothing else is possible.
You didn’t see the same reaction to, for example, Ukraine being invaded. Indifference was acceptable.
You didn’t see the same reaction to, for example, Ukraine being invaded. Indifference was acceptable.
In the example of Ukraine, countries have taken countless measures to pressure Russia. In this case, counties are complicit in the genocide. There’s a difference. People don’t protest when politicians do at least the bare minimum.
Might have something to do with the fact that Russia was unprovoked. Which is very different than this conflict.
How?
Go back to Reddit
Piss off.
Well, she’s changed a lot after her 16th birthday:
The nose doesn’t look extremely weird anymore.
Wow, such a massive change.
Lol samharris.org
What kind of pretentious loser names an opinion blog site after himself, and bestows a “.org” at the end
The more I read this crap the more obvious it is this bullshit article relies on lengthy annoying paragraphs that no one wants to read and a “.org” at the end to sound more official
Myth #1: Israel is guilty of “genocide” in Gaza.
The term “genocide” has a clear meaning—it’s the destruction or attempted destruction of a whole people.
Yes , 95% of people starving in the world were in Gaza when Israel chose to withhold aid to them. That is the attempted destruction of a whole people
Myth #2: International Humanitarian Law Requires that Israel’s response to Palestinian aggression be “proportional.”
I’m as anti Israel as it gets, and I’ve never heard this argument that you’re legally bound to proportional, sounds like this author really likes the title of the blog counting up to 5.
That said, there are tons of MORAL arguments against disproportionately killing civilians, but the only legal one that comes to mind is when Israel evacuated Gazans to a region in the south, then bombed that region with white phosphorus https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-white-phosphorous-gaza-palestinians-amnesty-hrw-reports/
Myth #3: The Jews Are Colonizers and the Palestinians are Indigenous People.
Not the Jews, but, the Israelis are colonizers. Biblically they were a nomadic war faring tribe. They never were a country. The west created a colony to project power in the middle east because they had no other allies there. Israel is a country in a region called Palestine. Palestinians never formed a government that resembled something the west could do business with
In colonialism, the colony has superior technology. The middle east just industrialized, how the hell could Palestinians have been anything but natives the last few thousand years
Myth #4: The atrocities committed by Hamas (and over one thousand Palestinian civilians) on October 7th were a legitimate response to oppression.
Israel left Gaza in 2005—forcibly removing thousands of its own citizens—and billions of dollars in international aid have since been spent there. So the “oppression” of the Palestinians in Gaza—by Israel—is at least debatable.
This is so fucking stupid I’m just going to leave this here. “Oppression” lmao, why the air quotes? Being born in a ghetto doesn’t count as being oppressed?
Myth #5: The two sides in this conflict are equally civilized, equally entitled to respect, and equally worth protecting.
I actually agree with this. You can’t compare violence between two groups when one group (Israel) is occupying the other (Palestine). The violence from Palestinians against Israel is like violence from black people to the police. It’s not good, but it’s not the same. One group is oppressed and radicalized from that, the other group is systematically oppressing the other
Myth #1: Israel is guilty of “genocide” in Gaza.
The term “genocide” has a clear meaning—it’s the destruction or attempted destruction of a whole people.
Yes , 95% of people starving in the world were in Gaza when Israel chose to withhold aid to them. That is the attempted destruction of a whole people
Not sure why you are debating semantics here, as that statement is just straight up wrong, which can be easily confirmed by taking a single look at article 2 of the Genocide Convention (emphasis mine):
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such
Speaking of the genocide convention, let’s see what experts on the subject are saying about it:
ICJ Ruling archived here
Experts on Genocide at US Court on the issue
800+ Legal Scholars on International Law and Genocide on whether it amounts to genocide
Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide
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Both Israel and Hamas have blood on their hands. I know we all like the whole Good vs. Bad but in an eye for eye situation, they are both wrong. People, on both sides, suffer. If the politicians would fight on the front, they would be less eager to create these situations.
Edit: I am not defending the Israeli Actions nor the Hamas actions. It is fucked up situation. Israel in the first place, shouldn’t have been created. However it is, and they should make the best of it. WITHOUT COMMITTING GENOCIDE. For people who believe in a good God, they sure are willing to kill.
All I am saying is that the ones that are not fighting, are suffering. Rockets land in Gaza, Rockets land in Israel. People, yes on both sides, are dying.
I am against the actions of Hamas, I am very against the actions of Israel.
Israel is not fighting against Hamas. Israel is fighting against all Palestinians, of which only a tiny fraction is Hamas. Well or rather they are fightinf against Hamas, but they are slaughtering the other Palestinians.
Israel is past the need to defend itself. Now they are taking the opportunity to commit genocide and displace the Palestinians from Gaza.
What do you propose Israel do about all of the missiles being fired by Hamas?
What do you propose Israel do about all of the missiles being fired by Hamas?
Don’t they already have the Iron Dome? That btw lets missiles drop on “poor Palestinian areas” because their systems categorize them as “empty lands”?
What do you suggest they do? Aside from killing every man, woman and child, of course?
I suggest Israel root out Hamas. Then hold elections to create a Palestinian government that’s willing to negotiate with Israel for their own state
The iron dome also isn’t perfect and doesn’t change the intent. If I make my house bullet proof and you shoot it every day in the hopes of killing me at some point I have the right to get rid of you by some method surely?
To do “self defence”, all Israel had to do was guard its borders and have some diplomatic solution that didn’t completely dehumanize Palestinians, maybe policies that listen to expert opinions on these subjects and how this is causing extremism to double. They didn’t need to invade “in self defence”.
If I make my house bullet proof and you shoot it every day in the hopes of killing me at some point I have the right to get rid of you by some method surely?
Funny how that works both ways.
Alright so from your perspective it seems you expect Israel to do all the heavy lifting here. Just ignore the attacks and hope Hamas is willing to negotiate one day? Even though they make it clear they want to remove Israel
What should the Palestinians/Hamas be doing? Continuing with their current course of action until Israel decides to do something different?
Giving people rights and ending apartheid and reducing extremism is heavy lifting? As opposed to now???
But yes I expect the supremacist colonial landgrabbers to do the heavy lifting.
I propose Israel stop the weapons embargo on Gaza, allowing Gazans to arm themselves. The embargo obviously doesn’t work for keeping weapons from Hamas. It does, however, make the honest people of Gaza totally powerless to resist their dictators.
It does, however, make the honest people of Gaza totally powerless to resist their dictators.
Have you ever wondered what those people might have experienced that would lead them to hate Israel so much?
That’s a different point, isn’t it? The comment above seems to suggest that Hamas doesn’t have support from the vast majority of Palestinians. In reality, if they had weapons, it appears they might use them the exact same way Hamas did.
I was directly replying to that point.
