I’ve watched the keynote and read some stuff on the internet and I’ve found this video about a dude talking about the new update (I linked it here because if you didn’t see the keynote, this is probably enough)
Is it just me, or… does no one address that Apple does a Microsoft move by basically scanning everything on every machine and feeding this into their LLM?
If you watch WWDC, they shared how it works. They have a private cloud that does not persist data on it, only processes it. Also, it’s audited by a third party and there is a cryptographic mechanism that will not allow your request to be accepted unless the server software has been publicly signed by the auditor. At least, this is my best understanding of it from what I remember.
Also, in the same presentation they announced that you can now lock your Apps and hide them, which will keep its data out of the OS search results. I am fairly certain this also means it’s opted out of ML/AI processing given that any LLM would rely on the same search index.
Mainly because Apple explained how it works and Microsoft just said we’re going to record everything you do
I’m going to copy paste a reply I left somewhere else. This was for iOS AI, I’m unsure what the implemention for macOS is. If they are scanning everything then I do not support it.
From what I saw,
MS Recall is a 24/7 AI monitor system that captures everything you look at and saves it for later. They didn’t even do the bare minimum for protecting the data, it was just dumped in an unencytped folder where anyone get wholesale access to the data. All trust has been lost.
Apple is using AI as a tool to improve specific tasks/features that a user invokes. Things like assistant queries and the new calculator. They have said some promising things in regards to privacy, specificly with the use of ChatGPT - any inquiry sent to ChatGPT will ask the user permission first and obscure their IP. This shows they care enough to try, they have not lost our trust - but we remain skeptical.
If apple tries the same thing by scanning everything wholesale, then that’s getting over shadowed by the promises made by the implentaion on the much more popular iOS.
OP will never acknowledge this.
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Apple has always had a better PR team.
Read this as “TACOS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME”
Same. Macos pronounced like tacos is so much better.
If you’re already willing to put up with all the other bullshit Apple does, I don’t see why you’d care about them doing this.
Apple has its llm’s running locally. Thats a huge win I hope that sets a standard i really hope someone make an android app thats foss that can do something simmillar.
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Does copilot use chatgpt thats not local. And thats why we need a good foss ai ecosystem.
The requirement for Recall is a neural coprocessor with substantial performance, specifically to be able to run the model locally.
Maybe you’re making an apples to oranges comparison. But anyway, nobody I know thinks Apple has good intentions with regard to their data.
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MS has a horrible track record on privacy or even caring about their customers; Apple, deservedly or not, has higher level of consumer’s trust
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MS brought out features too obviously ripe for abuse built in the most insecure way, lied about it and was quickly proven a liar. Apple says they built their AI in a secure way, their fans believe them and have not challenged
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Undoubtedly, there is still a huge Apple fanbase that would tell you Apple’s turds smell nice. So there’s a portion of that in the mix as well
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- usually people got Microsoft license for free (by working in company, and company buy you enterprise license)
- But with apple, people usually get it by passion.
It’s a very simple answer Apple has guaranteed that your data will stay on your device and stay secure. This is generally trusted because Apple has a track record of keeping user data secure on the device or encrypted in the cloud even in ways Apple cannot access. Point is, when Apple says they are going to do this in a way that respects privacy, and they outline the technical details of how it will work, people trust that because there’s a track record.
Microsoft has no such trust. They have a recent track record of being intrusive and using dark patterns to persuade users to give Microsoft their data, for example in Edge there have been new feature pop-ups that require data sharing with Microsoft and the two options are ‘got it’ and ‘settings’ so accepting requires one click and rejecting requires 4 going into the settings menu and changing a few things. Microsoft is also heavily pushing Copilot which is mostly cloud-based. Furthermore, Microsoft recently showed a system that would basically screenshot your computer at very regular intervals and store them in an insecure manner. Granted it was on the device, but the way they were going to be stored meant they could be stolen with two lines of code. And let’s not forget that Windows 11 cannot be set up without a Microsoft account, so to even use your computer you have to share your email address with Microsoft. In this and many other ways they just do not act like a company that respects privacy at all, they act like the typical big tech give us everything or we will make your life difficult type company that nobody trusts.
Apple has an overly authoritarian business model. They strictly control every aspect of their ecosystem.
Apple long ago alienated the kind of people who would get upset about spying, LLMs. They either never entered the Apple ecosystem, or they left it decades ago.
Because I don’t use apple products and don’t keep up with the news? My work laptop is Mac, but that’s work’s problem (I hate that thing)
I saw the Apple Intelligence presentation that reads user emails and SMS like it reads everything and categorizes which is more important to you… and people take that?
because its target audience thinks it is a feature?
