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ComradeMiao@lemmy.ml to Asklemmy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 months ago

Thoughts on lemmy.world ToS issue?

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Thoughts on lemmy.world ToS issue?

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ComradeMiao@lemmy.ml to Asklemmy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 months ago
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Lemmy.World ToS and the murder of the UHC CEO
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Hello World, following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS. Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As [written in our ToS](https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#our-governing-laws), we're primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don't consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence. Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators. We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don't review each individual report or moderator action unless they're specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added[ a new section to our ToS](https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#52-community-moderation) to clarify what we expect from moderators. We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn't allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins' criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters. We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service. As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.
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  • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    7 months ago

    I’m so glad we aren’t federated with such fucking losers.

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    7 months ago

    They have handled a difficult and emotional subject with maturity, they have clarified their rules, and made it very public. Kudos for great transparency and process.

    People are free to use or avoid lemmy.world based on their own view of the reasonableness of the rules.

    • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      7 months ago

      Can I adopt you as my second-favourite dog? You aren’t as smart as mine but you’re loyal to a fault and I wouldn’t feel bad at that final vet visit.

    • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      7 months ago

      lol

  • potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish
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    7 months ago

    If you disagree with their TOS or opinions, you should join a different instance. This is the good thing about the fediverse.

    • ComradeMiao@lemmy.mlOP
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      7 months ago

      I know, that’s why I posted here. Curious what others think, hence my question

  • gila@lemm.ee
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    7 months ago

    Migrated away from .world over a year ago due to their shitty admins, possibly even worse than r*ddit

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