links in body.

I saw a post yesterday about chemtrails and everybody poopooed the thought of secret civilian chemical testing by the US government.

Unfortunately, the Church committee, the 1975 senate committee that outed the US intelligence agencies and US military for their human rights abuses against US civilians and military personnel, received direct testimony from those agencies conducting the experiments that various branches of the US government, without notification or consent, absolutely and admittedly conducted live civilian experiments with harmful chemical and biological agents and weapons via sea, land and air, beginning at the very latest in the early 1940s and continuing for at least 30 testing years, supposedly ending in the late 1970s after the experiments were exposed by the 1975 Senate committee chaired by Frank Church.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

while chemical and biological agents were dropped by air hundreds of times(chemtrails) onto unaware US civilian populations, chemical and biological weapons and toxins were also sprayed over dozens of US cities without notification or consent via Operation sea spray and related operations:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

these abuses are settled US history.

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    you can “think about it”(deny verified evidence) and fabricate your objections and theories, or you can read the provided sources and except the overwhelming verified historical evidence of biological weapons testing on non-consenting US citizens.

    there is no suggestion anything on the church committee was made up and all the evidence presented during the hearing supports the findings of the Senate committee.

    “large scale”

    The entire city of San Francisco.

    aircraft carriers.

    the second link provided in the post explains the scale of that single experiment, Operation sea spray, among hundreds.

    The US government has admitted to these biological weapons attacks, the senate committee investigated, recorded it and has the documents and recordings.

    there is an abundance of evidence, testimony, documentation and recordings provided by the US government and the scientists who conducted these experiments.

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      Again, a dozen large scale experiments and 200 total experiments does not let you combine the two and say 200 large scale experiments. Doing so is inaccurate.

      Studying the spread of one pathogen by releasing a different one is not “biological weapons attacks”.

      I got all of this from your links, which would have been very hard for me to do without reading them. Your links do not say what you say. They say what I say, and I encourage everyone to read them and find that out for themselves.

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        you are fabricating incomplete theories rather than accepting the verified body of evidence evidence provided by the US government and their researchers.

        my links support the findings of the 1976 Senate committee hearing that exposed these biological weapons experiments on non-consenting US citizens.

        The evidence, testimony, documentation and recordings are all available in the provided likes and support the findings of the Senate committee, as well as the 1976 commission hearing in its entirety, which is documented and publicly available.

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          Now if only your links were supporting your overall message. I think the only thing we agree on is that people should read the material themselves. Most of them will not see that as strong evidence for chemtrails, I’m afraid.

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            the supplied evidence proving the facts of this post are verified, corroborated historical US government and news sources, comprised entirely of official evidence, documentation and recordings.

            Verified historical fact.

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              No, this is why you keep changing your tune. A few posts ago you were talking about “biological attacks!”. Now it’s “biological experiments!” after I pointed out that you were wrong. What ever happened to radiological? You haven’t mentioned that one in awhile after including it in your earlier message, have you? Weak, op. Very weak.

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                you trying to twist the words of the 1976 Senate committee hearing isn’t going to work, it’s a 50-year-old completely verified set of proof provided by the US government and the scientists who conducted these experiments.

                chemtrails were real and the US government tested biological weapons on people, as noted in the post and the verified sources.

                your confusion over the evidence is completely immaterial.

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                  My issue is your words not matching the committee’s words. Your words are the problem, and your words are what you need to defend. This careful pivot to “but the committee!!!” isn’t fooling anyone op. Defend your words. Where did the committee discuss radiological? Did I miss it somewhere perhaps?

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                    my words are accurate and sourced.

                    your confusion, feigned or otherwise, is your own problem.

                    you missed many things. or are pretending to anyway, in an effort to find a leg to stand on.

                    you aren’t going to be able to fabricate any valid rejection against the abundance of verified historical evidence, but imagine away.