links in body.
I saw a post yesterday about chemtrails and everybody poopooed the thought of secret civilian chemical testing by the US government.
Unfortunately, the Church committee, the 1975 senate committee that outed the US intelligence agencies and US military for their human rights abuses against US civilians and military personnel, received direct testimony from those agencies conducting the experiments that various branches of the US government, without notification or consent, absolutely and admittedly conducted live civilian experiments with harmful chemical and biological agents and weapons via sea, land and air, beginning at the very latest in the early 1940s and continuing for at least 30 testing years, supposedly ending in the late 1970s after the experiments were exposed by the 1975 Senate committee chaired by Frank Church.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
while chemical and biological agents were dropped by air hundreds of times(chemtrails) onto unaware US civilian populations, chemical and biological weapons and toxins were also sprayed over dozens of US cities without notification or consent via Operation sea spray and related operations:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
these abuses are settled US history.
Wikipedia is not a credible source
you can check the PBS article, or one of the other dozen articles the summary on Wikipedia is based on, or read the linked 1976 Senate hearing testimonies yourself.
there is an abundance of verified evidence from the US government supporting this post.
Dumb. Doesn’t back up “chemtrails” you’re trying to generalize this too much, yes they have conducted tests seemingly to verify how the spread of such weapons could occur. None directly harmful. Chemtrails as a clickbait has a much more sinister connotation. And none of these sources are much more than validation studies
“…more sinister connotation…”
as far as I understand from you guys, chemtrails are secret experiments using harmful chemicals dropped onto non-consenting civilian populations.
that is exactly what happened, among many other harmful experiments, according to the US government and its scientists who carried out these experiments.
It seems like editing your post would clear up confusion.
these are very clear facts with mountains of official, verified evidence supporting them.
are you confused by something in particular?
I’m fine with what you’ve presented, I just feel there is a less clickbaity way to say it.
Edit: scratch that. You said “were.”
this is a new way clickbait, “clickbait” implies that there’s no substance behind the claim.
I mentioned this up top, but I made this post as a direct response to a huge thread yesterday about chemtrails, and a gaggle of chortlers ignorantly gleeful about how ridiculous it is than anybody could believe in chemtrails.
joke’s on them.
50 years ago, the US government admitted they were using chemtrails to disperse chemicals on non-consenting US populations and figure out how dangerous those chemicals were.
those are the facts.
these experiments are completely true, they happened and theit existence is backed up by every form of evidence possible.
historical fact.
it doesn’t matter that some people here don’t like facts, that doesn’t change facts.
this isn’t clickbait, that implies that there’s no substance behind the claim.
I mentioned this up top, but I made this post as a direct response to a huge thread yesterday about chemtrails, and about how ridiculous it is than anybody could believe in them.
I usef the exact same language those ignorant commenters were using yesterday and pointed out that 50 years ago, the US government admitted they were using chemtrails to disperse chemicals on the non-consenting US population.
it’s a hard truth, or maybe scary for some people, but it’s a truth.
these experiments are completely true, they happened and theit existence is backed up by every form of evidence possible.
historical fact.
it doesn’t matter that some people here don’t like facts, that doesn’t change any of the facts.
That you tell everyone to go look at and find themselves as a way for hand waving away your weak and sensational claims.
Congressionally verified US military and intelligence agency testimony, documentation and recordings are solid sources.
The United States has and does experiment on citizens their own and foreign.
Chem trails as tiktok and YouTube try to suggest are not happening those are not chem trails.
“those are not chem trails”
how so?
trails of harmful chemicals for the purpose of experimentation secretly left behind by US aircraft over populated areas?
that occurred and is established fact, according to the US government, their agencies and scientists who conducted these experiments.
“The United States has and does experiment on citizens…”
yup.
the “chem trails” of tiktok and YouTube fame are not chemicals. Google it the science is obvious and clear
this post explains historical fact, not some stories you found.
The 1976 Senate committee hearing investigated and revealed the real chemtrails and biological weapons experiments conducted by US government agencies.
Okay you’re not understanding good day
I understand you want to talk about theories.
This post is strictly about historical evidence, documentation and fact.
your theories are immaterial.
Irony because you don’t understand basic science about airplanes lol
which part about airplanes is confusing you?
“those are not chem trails”
how so?
Ho boy… Yeah good luck everyone.
don’t need luck. the US government publicly admitted to repeated airborne dispersion of dangerous chemicals on non-consenting US citizens.
It doesn’t really matter if you care. Just stop making up things to add and stick to the true parts and everything will be fine. Can you do that maybe?
it sure does if you keep pouting and asking me to distort the facts.
the facts started at the top, they’re staying the same down here.
nothing has changed, you can read the post and the sources at the top and there’s nothing you can do about their verified accuracy and the live biological agents that the US government dispersed on non-consenting US citizens.
I’m not asking you to distort anything. I’m asking you to tell me where in your sources it supports you when you said this:
admitted to using chemtrails to disperse biological weapons
Because what I read is another, much less dangerous bacteria was spread to study how spreading happened. And we can tell, too, because tons of people didn’t die, and weapons are for killing people. Make sense? Or you can just admit that you’ve been subtly twisting the truth to suit your ends.
it doesn’t matter what kind of misdirection you try.
you either misunderstood the source, which seems very likely, or you didn’t read the actual source, which seems even more likely.
you should read the church committee report, it’s a fascinating several hundreds of pages.
Kinda hard to call it misdirection when I’m directly quoting you from a different comment you made and asking you to either support it or admit you were twisting words around. Seems like a pretty straight direction to me, no? I mean, if you really read it, it’d be pretty easy to say where in it you got that from.
kind of easy to call it a misdirection when you’re taking my words out of the provided context and pretending they mean something they don’t.
pretty easy to call it a misdirection when you’re avoiding the thrust of the post to try to nitpick irrelevant details.
keep swinging.
In what way can context change the meaning of “releasing weapons” into something else?
I already told you several times, you take certain true things, mix them with lies, and then spin it together into your overall message. Then you do ninja edits when these are pointed out. Did you forget?
yeah I get it, you like to mix truth with lies and project your confusion onto others.
still don’t care, your juvenike tricks aren’t going to work here.
I’m going to stick with the facts, you can prance around in your make-believe land.
Read the linked articles, they are not long. A small handful of cases are being carefully exaggerated in the post body to make it seem like a much broader problem.
The following claims are unsupported by the links:
harmful chemical, biological and radiological agents and weapons
while chemical and biological agents were dropped by air hundreds of times
chemical and biological weapons and toxins were also sprayed over dozens of US cities without notification or consent via Operation sea spray and related operations
These fairly obvious lies aside, the badly cropped image and the “supposedly ending” should be a dead giveaway that this person is being manipulative. 4/10 misinformation post. Not the worst work I’ve seen op, but kinda meh. I’m sure you can do better.
These are verified US government and news sources you can look up directly from the links provided or elsewhere.
The 1976 senate committee led by frank Church is established historical fact.
the US military and intelligence agencies admitted to conducting hundreds of chemical and biological weapons testing on civilian and military personnel without consent.
those experiments are established fact.
that Senate committee hearing includes all the testimony and documents from the scientists and military officials who conducted these tests.
The reveal of these experiments are fully supported by recordings and documents of that Senate hearing and the scientists and military personnel who testified to designing and conducting those experiments.
the facts are very clear here.
As usual, a couple careful lies are inserted into a broader, more sensible argument.
hundreds of
Give me your source for hundreds, instead of a small handful that your links had.
chemical and biological weapons
Give me your source for weapons, instead of mostly harmless stuff that sickened less than 0.1% of people exposed like your links said.
I’ve been around the block too many times to fall for this bullshit, op. Like I said, 4/10. I’ve seen much, much better than you.
“source for hundreds”
aside from the already linked sources you aren’t reading, here’s PBS explaining a specific couple hundred of the tests (a small portion of the tests revealed by the church committee) in plain English.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/weapon-secret-testing/
if you want to go into more detail or look at the hundreds of other tests that the US government admitted to, you can read the linked articles, the actual Church committee report itself and any of the testimonies given by the scientists and us government agencies who conducted these tests.
this is publicly available US government history.
“Give me your source for weapons”
the source is the US government. The US military and intelligence agencies saying they are testing anthrax and serratia marascens, as well as many other agents, as biological weapons.
“In the Army’s words, these experiments “proved the feasibility of covering large areas of the country with [biological weapons] agents.””
again, directly in those government and news sources I’ve linked to.
“I’ve been around the block too many times to fall for this”
…to fall for documented historical facts?
acquiring new verified knowledge is called learning, it’s not a trick.
That PBS article says 200 total tests were conducted to study biological weapons. This does not mean 200 were large scale releases on the American public. It then talks about the same handful of examples your wikipedia article lists. This does not support your overall claim. If you said a dozen large scale tests, with hundreds of total tests with some being much smaller, you’d probably be fine.
They were testing for how spread works for something like Anthrax by releasing other, not-Anthrax bacteria. The bacteria they released were not weapons. This is why everybody didn’t just fucking die.
You’re a manipulator and a deceiver, op. It doesn’t matter if you yourself were deceived first.
you making things up doesn’t change the facts provided by the US government in those sources.
these are historical verified documents and recordings testified about by US government agencies and scientists in a senate hearing.
your fabrications have no relevance here.
My “fabrications” are all clearly laid out in the sources you yourself provided, to anybody that spends a minute thinking about it. If you have any evidence of actual anthrax being released, or these hundreds of experiments being large scale, you are welcome to provide them. I will gladly review them. I am, after all, open to being wrong if it is proven.
you can “think about it”(deny verified evidence) and fabricate your objections and theories, or you can read the provided sources and except the overwhelming verified historical evidence of biological weapons testing on non-consenting US citizens.
there is no suggestion anything on the church committee was made up and all the evidence presented during the hearing supports the findings of the Senate committee.
“large scale”
The entire city of San Francisco.
aircraft carriers.
the second link provided in the post explains the scale of that single experiment, Operation sea spray, among hundreds.
The US government has admitted to these biological weapons attacks, the senate committee investigated, recorded it and has the documents and recordings.
there is an abundance of evidence, testimony, documentation and recordings provided by the US government and the scientists who conducted these experiments.
yeah, the US does shit, especially 50 years ago. that does not mean that chemtrails are real. that’s just conspiracy bullshit.
They used to crop dust DDT for fuck sakes.
You’re right that it’s a conspiracy in that the US government hid their intentions and carried out a harmful plan; that is simple historical fact.
as the us military and intelligence agencies testified.
the us army and other agencies dropped chemical agents from aircraft, also dispersing biological weapons from the land and sea, secretly, as experiments on civilians.
that is established fact, according to the agencies and scientists who dispersed the chemicals, as testified to in the senate hearing.
