I mean, they still do (especially with rats). But yeah, blinding kittens and giving people PTSD and such was pretty bad.
Also, every other question to your patient should be:
"And then you were sexually exploited by a satanic cult, right? Right?! I’m pretty sure you were.
Anyway, what’re you doing after this?"
If you’re enough out of the box, it’s not unethical till somebody declares so and you can still debate it.
You’re done with your research before there’s any official ruling. It’ll just limit the next poor sap doing the same.
Actually dont talk about a process you know nothing about. Everyone needs to go through an ethics committee because of pieces of shits.
Everyone needs to go through an ethics committee because of pieces of shits.
I mean, recently, yes. Go back to the 30s/40s/50s and you’ve got the Military, the CIA ,and the DoEnergy doing all sorts of heinous experiments, particularly on poor black neighborhoods.
But also, “everyone” is the universe of researchers attached to the modern public university/publication system.
Meanwhile, in the private sector… Elon Musk Company Neuralink Given Free Pass for Animal Welfare Act Violations, USDA Reveals in Letter to Congress
Elon Musk’s brain-computer interface company Neuralink violated the federal Animal Welfare Act and received a free pass from the agency responsible for enforcing the law. That’s what the U.S. Department of Agriculture told members of Congress last week in a response to letters sent in December and May. Those letters, led by Reps. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) and Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), requested updates from the agency about a reported USDA Office of Inspector General investigation into Neuralink and recent revelations that the company’s internal animal research oversight board was stacked with members who have conflicts of interest. In his July 14 response, USDA Secretary Thomas Vilsack neither confirmed nor denied the existence of an investigation, but he did confirm that a troubling 2019 incident would have been recorded as a violation of the law if not for the existence of a since rescinded agency policy designed to remove such incidents from public records. The agency agreed to stop applying the policy in 2021 as part of a lawsuit settlement.
You think i give a shit about a hypocritical government that plagiarizes democracy and is a bureaucracy owned by lobbyists and aristocrats? You know everyone who’s a politician is rich right? Everythangs corrupt no surprise especially the USA. Recently theyve been stealing technology from someone a lot smarter than them.
Generalising much?
Do you not understand after these experiments any experiment from now and on has to go through an ethics committee because we kept being pieces of shits? Youre acting like we didnt have to force people to stop dumping waste in rivers because it was the cheapest solution?
In the post we are in 70’s.
Do you need me to draw a spacetime diagram?
This is a shit post were actually in 2159 and im scared your going back to the capitalist era?
you’re done with your research before there’s any official ruling
This really isn’t how science works at all. Results that aren’t reproducible and can’t be retested under varying conditions are almost completely meaningless. And no way to find out if it’s (justly or not doesn’t even matter) decided that you can’t do that kind of experiment shortly after your single one experiment is over.
This is just Stanford in any decade
Funnily enough, the Stanford Prison experiment was pretty much just an act, with both parties encouraged to act the way they did. It’s been discredited nowadays.
A better analogy would be the Milgram experiment(s). Often repeated, breaking certain ethical rules (e.g. not telling your test subjects the whole truth about the experiment), with the result of some test subjects taking their own life from the sheer realisation of what they did, and yet the experiment still stands uncontested in its results.
Theranos. Silicon Valley.
I mean, Theranos was less classic ethical nightmare as it was just a grift, separating suckers from their money. A possible more fitting example in the same vein would be Roger Wakefield’s “studies” on how the MMR vaccines cause autism., where actual children got harmed and spurred on the antivax movement.
Stanford had the “predict if people are gay from a photo” from that guy that was buddies with Putin. And I think they also had an asshole who did a bunch of work on trying to determine, again, gay from DNA. That guy was actually gay himself.
Honestly, that’s news to me. Mind linking it? Might be interesting to read about it.
