Hello again Lemmy! I have another question.
Context: I took a motorcycle safety class, was nervous but enjoyed it, researched motorcycles, found a few I liked, talked to a dealer about them but ultimately, I couldn’t finalize a deal, talked myself out of it basically.
I was curious how others might justify a purchase that has no purpose other than wanting something.
For clarity, I don’t need anyone to justify me buying a motorcycle. I want to read about your thought processes for buying something you want 🙂
As always thanks for replying and have an awesome day/night!!
If it brings me pleasure it is something I need, as I need to enjoy my life. On something like this I would just think about whether the cost justifies the amount of pleasure it would bring me. If I know I would get tired of it after a few weeks, I’m not going to blow thousands on it. If it’s a major enhancement of a hobby I’ve had for a long time which deepens my ability to enjoy it and I’m not risking anything else by spending the money, then it’s a decent investment in my happiness.
True, your points are valid. On some level I think I actually struggle with finding pleasure in hobbies and life these days.
However generally speaking purchases should bring pleasure/happiness. Purchases that aren’t daily necessities… as I don’t get excited purchasing frozen vegetables 😆
Thank you so much!!
Throwing out lots of stuff right now, I am absolutely shocked and disgusted by myself with how much trash I accumulated with such a low long-term value. I’ve switched to that japanese mindset: If it does not bring joy or has actual value, it’s getting removed from my life, either as trash or sold on.
So would I buy things I want but don’t need (i.e. not daily necessities like food, petrol, etc.) from now on? It highly depends. I will look into renting or borrowing stuff first if possible, then used stuff. Only if those are not an option, I will really REALLY think about where that thing will be in a year from now. If it’s most likely in storage or already binned and will have lost most of its value, I will choose not to shoulder the burden of owning it. There’s nothing to be gained but loss in such a thing.
On stuff that appears to keep value, boy do you need to evaluate a lot. General rule of thumb: Do you use it almost daily and similar items only slowly lost their value in the last years, consider buying it. Else avoid owning it, reduce cost.
On Tools, go for a base set of tools and a set of preferably multi-use tools on top. Everything else: Rent it. Why buy that special repair kit you will use once on your car when you can go to a hobby car workshop and just rent that thing? Sure, the rent is gone, but it’s way less than what that repair set would’ve cost you, which you will not sell on until it has lost most of its value, is outdated and whatnot.
Same for cars. Buy a cheap used one that’s easy to maintain and simply gets you reliably from A to B. Rent a beautiful car once in a while or for long trips. By numbers (including value loss, maintenance, etc.) you will most likely come out cheaper than owning an expensive car - without the risk of high repair costs on it appearing out of nowhere - as long as you keep it down to a few times per year. Something like once per month for a full weekend usually is fine, but this calculation is VERY country specific, so calculate your own total cost of ownership of a nice car and compare it to owning a cheap, easy to repair get-me-around car with occasionally renting really nice cars. Just be realistic with time frames.
For me, it’s a kinda simple rubrick:
- First and foremost, is the money actually available - I was a pretty bad financial fuck-up in my 20’s. I learned a lot about money and credit, but the cost of that education was a lot higher than I would have liked. So, being sure the money is actually there and won’t cause me trouble down the line is always the first thing. Credit is OK for some major (generally secured) purposes, but frivolities should be cash in hand.
- Second, do your homework - If you plan to make a major purchase, spend some time researching the thing, its costs and everything else about it before hand. We live in an amazing time of information availability, go online and learn the upsides and downsides to the thing. Also, try to get a feel for the cost of the thing. You should go in knowing what you want, the features you’re looking to get on said thing and have a rough idea of how much the thing will cost.
- Third, “Wind the clock” - this means that you should step away from any major purchase and take some time to consider it. If the sales critter insists that they won’t be able to make the same deal tomorrow, don’t walk, run. Time pressure is the most basic sales tactic. If the deal isn’t going to look good to me when I reevaluate it tomorrow, I sure as fuck don’t want to take it today. It’s not that I won’t make a purchase the same day, but I also go in willing to drive down the street and start negotiations over again with the next sales critter.
- Finally, it’s just money - If you have the money and have the right deal for the right thing, quit your belly-aching and commit. Ya, you probably just fucked up and you’ll learn that as you go. But, the experience will probably be valuable to you. Maybe it won’t quite reach the value of the money it cost you, but you’re unlikely to actually know that until after you’ve spent it. Money sitting in the bank won’t buy you happiness. Money spent on experiences might. So, go spend some money. Have those experiences and realize that you can always make more money, you cannot make more time.
I was like you, pretty bad about money in my younger years. Sadly, I think I went full 180 and now I’m hyper concerned about it.
Specific to this, I have the money and it wouldn’t impact me negatively (meaning the emergency fund would still be there).
The dealer was great no pressure. They currently have a great deal on one. I did take a step back and waited a few days. I’m still thinking about it though… maybe because it’s such a good deal.
I’ll work on not belly aching (that made me laugh) but I have found that as I get older… being an adult gets in the way of being happy or having fun, well, for me it does.
Thank you so much for the response and things to consider!!
If I want something then I generally categories it in 1 of 3 ways. it is must needed, it will significantly improve quality of life, or it is just for fun.
If it is must then no choice buy or lease.
If it will improve quality of life then how much does it cost. there is no real formula but if it is less than my 1 day’s income then I’ll mostly buy it. Eg. Flying instead of taking 17-20hr train ride.
If it is just for fun then it has to be significantly cheaper than my 1 day’s income plus it should bring some enjoyment. Eg. going on fun trips, etc.
Edit - I’m currently mostly living on paycheck to paycheck + 3 months reserve in case of emergency. But if you are making much more and are able to save then of course go ahead and buy it.
Thank you so much for responding. I like how you categorized things. Makes complete sense regarding how you justify purchases.
I will consider this with other purchases. I hope all is well and thank you so much for the response.
I had the same dilemma about buying a motorcycle after taking my classes.
I told myself that I could die any day from anything and I am very financially prudent with everything else. Live a little because everyone is living their best life on credit while I am sitting at home daydreaming about things because I’m too cheap.
Yolo’d it and financed a motorcycle. I’m having such a blast. No ragret.
We could be twins reading this comment. Although I haven’t YOLO’ed buying one yet 🙂
I get it, and for me it’s not just the motorcycle it’s… waves hands around 😆
Thank you for the response and perspective!!
If you can comfortably afford it in your budget then you owe it to yourself
You can’t really justify it but if you buy it, don’t beat yourself up over it. As long as you don’t hoard so much as to end up with so much stuff to move when you change places.
I don’t justify it, i just buy it.
If i want a motorcycle, and i have the money for it…
When i was younger i used to think about things a lot. I’m 44 now. I lost my dad 5 years ago, and my mom last year. It really changed my views on life. Yeah i save some on a savings account, but at the end of today, tomorrow is always a promise, never a guarantee. And so i live a much easier life. I buy what i want, when i want, where i want.
I used to think that would make my cynical, but it actually made me a more pleasant person, less worrying on my part. If that makes any sense?
I think this is something that many of us only learn with age, and reminders of how short life actually is.
Saving money for a rainy day is sensible, but you can get really locked into that mentality to the point where you don’t actually realise the roof’s leaking because you didn’t keep on top of the repairs.
This! Every time I see an article about retirement and how much you need to survive… it makes me pull out my spreadsheet and see where I am.
I still have a way to go also. Always worried about “will I have enough” and not worried about “am I having fun / am I happy” ☹️
If I want something and can afford it, I buy it. The best purchases retrospectively are always the ones I get a lot of enjoyment out of. For example I don’t regret spending a lot of money on my bicycles because I’ve got a lot of enjoyment out of riding them for thousands of kilometres every year. The only purchases I regret are ones I don’t end up using as much as I thought I would.
Obviously if you share expenses with others, you need to consider their needs to. For me that means not spending money on a bike that I’m going to need for a shared holiday or whatever later on.
I budget and save for it.
I’m lucky enough to be able to budget for things I want. If it’s in the budget, no justification is required. If it’s in the budget but expensive, then I just have to figure out if I want it more than the other things I want (or will want) that I won’t be able to afford as a result.
Agreed, being financially secure in your decision to buy something makes sense. Weighing it against other items is also a smart take!
Thank you!!
Wait a few months or even a year. Go on with your life. If you still want it then, buy it. Also a good way to put money on the side for this specific item, then it will hurt less.
True, I would agree in general with this. In this situation I have the money but waiting too long might make me too nervous to try riding.
Right now the lesson learned from the safety class are still pretty fresh in the brain. But subject to spoiling if not used 🙂
Appreciate the response!!
Let it simmer. If I still want to buy it after weeks/months than I buy it.
I think this a good approach overall. Just trying to decide how long is too long to wait. Good deal on a motorcycle and still fresh in the brain safety course. If I don’t do anything soon I may loose out.
Thanks for posting!!
YOLO
I find it helpful to try to quantify the time I’ll enjoy with a thing before I buy it. Or maybe there will be some amount of cost savings if it’s a tool. You could do both with a motorcycle.
Unless you get a shitty Harley, it will almost certainly be more fuel efficient than an ICE car/truck, so if you plan to commute by motorcycle at all, there is some cost savings there. That will probably offset the cost of registration and insurance, and maybe regular maintenance, so not really a net gain, but at least pays for itself to some degree.
So after approximating the cost after those savings, then you can approximate how many hours per year and how many years you expect to enjoy the thing for. Divide the cost by that number of hours. Would you pay that hourly rate for the enjoyment you expect to get from it? If so, buy. If not, don’t buy.
There are obviously some abstract things to factor in too, though. Would you make friends through your motorcycle? Do you enjoy working on stuff so in addition to the riding do you plan on doing aftermarket work on it? Is there a bucket list aspect to this?
I can tell you that, as a former motorcycle owner, I would probably not get one again. They’re super fucking dangerous, almost entirely because other drivers are fucking morons. It’s impossible for me to ride without being on edge with the assumption that every other driver is actively trying to kill me. At this point, I would only get one as a fun time to ride once in a while, and the upkeep isn’t worth it for that. Even an electric one would be hard for me to justify for myself because of insurance, registration, and ride gear.
That all being said, there are considerations that you and you alone will need to apply to this decision. I just strongly urge that if you do buy a bike, you wear all recommended gear. Never shorts. Never sandals. Never without a helmet and jacket. Dress for the slide, not the ride.
Specific to motorcycles everything you mentioned was going through my mind. Wit the exception of the time quantification. It would be used for nothing more than tooling around and maybe learning to ride on a track.
I truly have no need for one.
Would agree that anyone who rides needs to be diligent and safe. Motorcycles truly are not at the top of anyone’s mind when driving.
I do have a better appreciation for them after taking the safety class.
Appreciate your perspective and detailed post!!
I find it helpful to try to quantify the time I’ll enjoy with a thing before I buy it. Or maybe there will be some amount of cost savings if it’s a tool.
This is how I finally let myself buy video games I’ve wanted for years. I find the average playtime, divide the cost by that and look at the “per hour” price rather than the whole price. Bonus points if it’s on sale or second-hand.
I usually exceed said playtime since I’m a slow gamer but it’s still a good way to return the value of joy to our limited time on earth.
And here is me starting for a motor license in a few weeks.
My use case isn’t very high way oriented so hopefully i’ll stay whole…
Good tips all around tho :)
One thing to consider is the type of motorcycle you may buy and how new / old it is.
Safety is definitely a concern. Newer motorcycles can have some rider safety features. The one I was looking at… well drooling over actually… had ABS, traction control, slipper clutch, quick shifter (not exactly a safety feature per se).
So there are things to help make them safer, not to mention air bag jackets.
Just some additional perspective.
The reasonable voice in me tells to get my license and a second hand bike for max 3k ish. The unreasonable voice wants a new Triumph Scrambler 400x or a Suzuki Gsx 8s. Scrambler new is 7.5, almost no used models in my country. Gsx 8s can be found used around 8k.
One is a way safer fun 400 cc bike. The other quite bit quicker. Both financial disasters tho lol. Will probably end up on a older bike with less tech.
Fair enough, I do realize not everyone can get something new. Was really just lowering the fear factor a little by noting the availability of the tech these days 🙂
Whatever you end up with, I hope you truly enjoy every minute riding!!
Excellent. Idk if you have deer or similar stuff in your area, but be very vigilant. If you lock up your rear tires and fishtail, just keep your tire locked. If you let off the brake while not perfectly straight, your bike will violently realign and you’ll get bucked off.
Overall, I recommend these motorcycle safety courses to all drivers. It pushed me to be much more actively aware while driving.
I let it simmer. If it’s still on my mind in a few weeks (sometimes months) without me setting a reminder of sorts, apparently I really do want it.
The other part is can I afford it. If it’s a bigger expense, I make sure to save up for it by setting apart what I can over a period of time. This also combines nicely with the “do I still want it” period.