Mine is fresh highschool graduates getting 2 weeks of training to go work acute, all-male forensic psychiatry. We’re taking criminally insane men who are unsafe to put on a unit with criminally insane women.
…and they would send fresh high school graduates (often girls because hospitals in general tend to be female-dominated) in the yoga pants and club makeup they think are proffessional because they literally have 0 previous work experience to sit suicide watch for criminally insane rapists who said they were suicidal because they knew they would send some 18y/o who doesn’t know any better to sit with them. It went about how you would expect the hundreds of times I watched it happen.
My favorite float technician was the 60 year old guy who was super gassy and looked like an off-season Santa. Everybody hated that guy because they said he was super lazy but he would sit suicide watch all fucking shift without complaining and he almost never failed to dissapoint a sex pest who thought they were gonna get some eye candy (or worse).
What’s your example?
Phlebotomists in some states don’t need any training. None. If you’ve ever given blood in one of those states this is probably not surprising to you.
Not surprising to me in any way, I did exactly that while in school (among other unlicensed healthcare roles).
Police.
POTUS
Elected positions always have that risk, but normally there is some kind of expectation of relevant experience by voters.
Imagine if voters only voted for responsible people who would make good presidents.
normally
There has been nothing normal about our elective process since the summer of 2015. And it’s only getting more fucked up across the board.
some kind of expectation of relevant experience
heh
A position making engineering disposition decisions on hardware that do not meet print. Sometimes, using the hardware can be ok with robust technical analysis to make sure there will be no impact to function or life of the part or the system it’s going into. It’s typically a seasoned engineer with a good understanding of the specific product, and a title/position high enough they can stand up to pressures.
A supplier I worked with recently put a green engineer fresh out of college in the role. He was pressured to allow stuff out the door so the company could hit monthly delivery and $ targets. He never should have approved certain parts but didn’t have the technical knowledge, nor the confidence and reputation and leadership support to stand up to the people trying to ship bad product. The function was made useless by their decision to put him in the role, and he’s also developing terrible engineering habits that are going to haunt him.
There’s some excellent analogues in the Healthcare industry, particularly allowing new nurses to train each other. There’s basic standard practice things going completely ignored because they’re just not getting passed down. They’re not getting passed down because pushing the people who know those things out of their roles (experience costs $$) before they can pass that knowledge on. It’s a mess. And, as you say, they’ve earned enough respect and have enough confidence their their practice to call admin on their bullshit (I’m running into a lot of this lately).
Judges… The fact they aren’t required to have gone through law school is horrifying.
I wonder if that’s one of those things where everyone thought it didn’t need to be codified, because “of course you would select someone qualified”, until modern politics proved that false
In my state, I see that seems to have held true
There is no law or constitutional provision that states that a judge should have a background as a lawyer, but the governor’s Executive Order states the educational and work experience that a successful candidate should have. (No non-lawyer has advanced to become a judge in modern times.)
This is somewhat location specific, each American state has their own rules for the judges, and some require law school and legal experience.
In what country are they not required to have gone through law school?
Magistrate Judges can be literally anyone in the US
In France we you appeal you get judged by other citizens drawed at random. One of the best systems we have
Not trying to be a jerk. Please take this as kindly as it is meant.
The past tense of “draw” is “drawn.” It is an irregular verb in English.
Silly English.
Hey! That’s a great scene to remember it by. I’m going to to use this in my lesson about this verb next year. Students will love it.
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This didn’t make sense to me until I drew a picture
Thank you for expanding on my point. “Drawn” is the past participle, which must be used in passive constructions such as the above. “Drew” is simple past tense.
It’s the difference between past tense, and past participle. “I drew a picture” vs “the picture was drawn”.
IIRC, the International Criminal Court. They accept judges that would be qualified in their home country. With the US stepping out of it, one of the ICC’s biggest funders is Japan. They have a history of paneling judges who are just people of the community with no specific legal training . Maybe that works for them, but it meant some unqualified judges were sent to the ICC from Japan. The ICC isn’t in a position to stop them, given the funding situation.
IIRC, the International Criminal Court. They accept judges that would be qualified in their home country. With the US stepping out of it, one of the ICC’s biggest funders is Japan. They have a history of paneling judges who are just people of the community with no specific legal training . Maybe that works for them, but it meant some unqualified judges were sent to the ICC from Japan. The ICC isn’t in a position to stop them, given the funding situation.
I’m guessing 'Murica
While thats technically allowed in Canada. When the Conservative party tried to do it under Harper and then-minister Poilievre to start stacking the court system with cronies, every part of the system raised hell enough for evem those religious nutters to back off.
One of the really notable things about war is that it’s so rare (if you aren’t the US military or else actively engaged in some ongoing conflict), and the rate of people dying and having to be replaced with brand new people is so high, that almost all the time it’s being done for real life-or-death stakes by people who are learning on the job as they go and have no real experience in what they are doing.
A lot of things about military decisions and events don’t completely make sense why they happened the way they do, until you imagine a whole airline being run by people most of whom it’s their first week on the job, and then you say oh okay I get it now; that’s why that happened that way.
Perun (youtuber) sums it up- for many militaries there is no organisational experience in actual conflict, outside the pomp and ceremony it’s hard to tell what substance exists
Jesus yeah I completely believe you.
We don’t have time to train people to make good decisions. Let’s just train them to say, “Yessir!”
For me it is people making food, supplements, and drugs. From their production to their quality department. Just full of people that have no idea what they are doing and making poor decisions. That’s not even to mention the management and owners.
Bonus: Home inspectors / mold remediation “professionals”. Absolutely clueless.
My partner works in food service and always comments that despite what conservative Kens and Karens think, you really don’t want adolescents to be the primary handlers of things you put inside your body, especially not that last little bit where they’re supposed to cook off all the bacteria and viruses.
The mold remediation is something I was forced to deal with at our 2nd house we bought, was a foreclosured place that had been sitting, bank wouldn’t sell it until the mold in the basement was taken care of, the “professionals” the bank hired, literally were 2 young kids probably 19 or 20, that came in and just ripped out all the drywall and tossed it in the driveway, then left all the wall studs still covered in mold, in. Told the bank they were done and the bank agreed with it. I don’t know how much they paid them but it wasn’t worth more than the 2 hours of labor to demo some drywall.
They are supposed to take air samples before and after a remediation to show that the mold is decreasing. This includes lots of fans and can even include ozone treatment. Unfortunately I know some companies will fake test results to get a client. We’re talking pre and post remediation. It’s a super shady business. I would always recommend multiple opinions.
Yea they didn’t do shit, but we wanted the house, so we just didn’t really care. I ended up gutting the basement anyways and rebuilding everything properly, but yea the bank got completely screwed dealing with them.
Pharm tech licensing varies wiiiiidely across the states. Some require natl very, some require basically on job training IIRC.
RPh not so much, but tech also has responsibility not to kill you with a misfill and more eyes are always good for preventing deaths.
The shit wages they pay in relation to being responsible in part for safety and accuracy (in retail) is a big part of why most retail is dangerously understaffed.
Same for insurance agents and real estate agents in many (most?) of US. HS, a couple weeks of “teaching to the test,” and a test is all it takes. Rote memorisation. - lots of those younger folks in insurance couldn’t define what they may/may not say/promise, or who is an “Insured” under a given policy.
It went about how you would expect the hundreds of times I watched it happen.
So what exactly happened?
They attempted to rape them. Frequently. I prevented the ones I was present for.
There’s no barrier? I thought they’d be in a cell with the person watching outside.
It’s a psych hospital with a unit specializing in people with charges, not a prison (where they should have been). If a patient were genuinely suicidal they would need to be immediately accessible to the staff member responsible for preventing it. Additionally, seclusion, even with the legally required assigned observer, requires justification and a doctor’s order in this case, and it’s impossible to justify because seclusion is specifically contraindicated in high suicide risk (see above).
These are all clinical guidelines and often even state regulations that make perfect sense and save a lot of lives in the situations they’re designed for. The issue is that assessing suicidal ideation has to be done almost entirely based on subjective reports of symptoms (internal thoughts), and there are almost no objective outward signs. The only objective outward signs that exist immediately beforehand (previous attempts count as a lifetime risk increase) are prepatory behaviors, and a) the patient typically actively hides those behaviors and b) they’re not assessable immediately in the moment; they have to be caught by regularly and directly observing the patient. Our other option is to start asking suicidal people if they really mean it and/or just kicking them out if they sound enough like they’re lying and to say the least current clinical guidelines do not support that strategy.
It doesn’t take long to learn how to take advantage of such a system if you’re the kind of man that likes assaulting young women. I’ve met a lot of men who struggle to understand the sheer quantity of these men that exist and that often they’re released right back out into the community for a variety of reasons that do and do not make sense but are all perfectly legal.
I also have had a lot of male patients do this now that I no longer work forensics, but there’s less of them and they’re usually not as bold. They’ll usually just take a lot of time dressing and undressing in front of the sitter, walking around the room naked, making inappropriate comments about the sitter’s appearance/ activities they would like to engage in, needling them for personal information, etc and that’s just bothersome because they’re literally trapped with the patient (it would obviously be a firable offense to leave a patient on suicide watch). These are the times I do my best to get a male sitter (assuming the patient isn’t just equal-opportunity, which is fortunately rare), and short of that I just make sure to rotate people through so nobody has to deal with it too much any one shift.
Female patients do so far, far less, but when they do they are usually a bit bolder about it, which can be troublesome. I also generally assign same sex sitters when possible, but I specifically avoid sitting male staff with female patients as much as possible just because unfortunately delusion-based sexual abuse claims are likely to be followed further in that gender combo than vice-versa.
Making more people, the most complex thing that can be built with unskilled labor.
I’ve always thought it seemed like a design flaw that whole people can be created accidentally.
My damn penis slips in vaginas on accident all the damn time. Grocery shopping, golfing, working out, etc… I mean God wot were u thinkin there mate
I don’t know if accident is the right word. There is definitely a process that needs to be done for the possibility of a kid to get created. It isn’t like people are just bumping into each other at the grocery store and suddenly they are having kids.
Thats evolution baby
Nah, that’s baby evolution!
Cops
Very much depends where you live.
I think it’s just true for the vast majority of countries, unfortunately. A country has to have a lot of things figured out and done right before it can regulate and train its police force so well that its population doesn’t nearly universally agree with the ACAB sentiment. Or at least doesn’t belive they’re all incompetent.
In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.
It’s 3 years here in Germany. Seems like some cops in the US are little more than hired thugs.
Or a little less.
That might lead to competency. We don’t do that here.
While Europe is far ahead in terms of training for police, I don’t think even 4 years is enough.
All the management staff at Nijisanji. They’re hiring minimum wage, fresh out of school kids for legal work, project management, translation, talent management… Needless to say, it’s apparently hell for the talents
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.
Shoutout to Raj the QA lead I worked with in India though. That dude’s team was thorough.
I’d go a step further than that - MBAs who not only contract dev out to India but go the cheapest route. I’ve worked with both fantastic teams over there and teams that do more harm than good: the difference is what that MBA was looking for. There’s a lot of great engineers and you can build a great team if that’s what you care about. However you won’t get it by looking for the cheapest contractor in the cheapest country
MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.
Ah, but some of them DO know what they are doing! In the IT world, I have seen where people say a job is about 2-3 years, show no loyalty to the company, and so on. But they don’t understand managers are doing this, too. Many KNOW these outsourcers are shitty (or don’t care because that’s not a metric they care about beyond selling points), but in a 2-3 year turnaround time, by the time it’s apparent they don’t work, the people who made those decisions are already gone. They ALSO thought ahead to the 2-3 year plan. Here’s how that goes:
Year 1: Make proposal based on costs. Find someone in Puna who will sell you some package with some bright, smiling, educated people who speak whatever language and accent that makes your pitch. Proposals are made, and attached to next year’s budget.
Year 2: Start the crossover. Puna Corp has swapped out the “demo people” for their core chum bucket. Sometimes, they don’t even change the names. How is an American gonna know that the Vivek Patel they saw in the demo is not the same guy named Vivek Patel who is working with your bitter employees who see the writing on the wall? Sadly to many who don’t care, “they all look/sound alike.” Puna is a product, their employees are a static pattern of commodity. Your people say they are shit, but, “oh, those grumbling employees. Your job is safe! We can’t fire you, you are too valuable!”
Year 3: The crossover has gone badly, but you are already looking for the next company to work for. The layoffs happen, and all the good folks are gone, and replaced by the Puna Corp folks. Things start to go badly, but you already got one foot out the door, charming your way into another company.
Year 4: You’re gone. Your legacy is that you saved a butt-ton of money. You are a success! The product is shit, but that’s not your problem. By the time the company realizes the tragedy, it’s middle manager versus middle manager, all backstabbing and jumping ship. Customers don’t matter, marketing covers up the satisfaction. “Wow,” you say. “Things sure when to shit THE MOMENT I LEFT.” You look fantastic! When you were there, you saved money! When you left, it all went downhill! You are a goddamn rockstar. Then repeat.
I have seen this happen since the 90s with a lot of tech folks. Everyone thinking short term for themselves. Only the customers get screwed via enshittification.
Having been in this exact same cycle twice myself, all I can say is that IT jobs are boring.
When you add on terrible software crossovers that amp up the stress without any extra income to justify it then that’s when everyone I know starts looking for their next gig.
Now I feel stupid that I always assumed they just don’t know better, but this makes a ton of sense - and they can even expect a raise each time they change jobs. So their whole career is based on bullshitting and they for sure make more money than me… I don’t like this thought process
Assholes love to fail upwards.
Voting.
They dont like this one but its real. Democracy doesn’t work if people vote according to falsehoods they believe. Or rather Democracy doesn’t care if they vote like that. Vote stupid, get stupid.
100% agreed. For me it’s pretty simple; issue the same test you issue immigrants for citizenship. If people can’t pass that, why the hell are they getting involved in the governing of our country?
And I speak as someone who has passed the U.K. citizenship test to acquire U.K. citizenship. It takes 2 weeks of studying one hour/week AND some general understanding of what’s going on in the country. It’s not hard, it just requires a little effort and involvement. Seems a minimum you can expect before people make decisions that affect us all.
School teachers. Not deliberately, but there is a shortage of them here.
Social services. Nobody occupation has ever been more blind to the needs of society than the local people whose job is literally named after society. They walk around all big and tall being a backseat driver, something you shouldn’t have to be when the front seat to what’s going on in society is freely available, until entire families are ruined. I was so close to being one of these people.
i’m hearing this about our state DFPS - as far as i know, you now only need to be 18 and you need to have graduated high school. then you get to destroy families.
