Wookieepedia, the most popular Star Wars wiki, appears to have entered an unexpected moment of crisis. It’s impossible to overstate how important Wookieepedia, the fan-run Wiki, is to the Star Wars fandom. It’s one of the largest Fandom sites in existence, with 193,050 pages and counting, and the site has even been frequented by actors and writers as well as general fans.
There’s probably no better online resource when it comes to Star Wars, with Wookieepedia guiding viewers seamlessly through Legends and canon information. Even more impressively, over the last few years, the “Wook” (as it is often called) has become an important part of the online fan community in its own right. Unfortunately, over the last week, the Wook has found itself at the heart of a major controversy.
Leslye Headland’s The Acolyte has proved to be one of Lucasfilm’s most controversial releases to date, with an online backlash and a pretty transparent review-bombing campaign. One of the strangest controversies was over the age of Jedi Master Ki-Adi-Mundi, a character who makes a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it cameo in The Acolyte episode 4. This appearance contradicted a 1999 CD-ROM and a 2013 trading card, both of which established that Ki-Adi-Mundi shouldn’t have been born yet. Neither are actually canon, and Lucas himself contradicted the CD-ROM later in the prequel trilogy when he changed Ki-Adi-Mundi’s lightsaber color.
Ki-Adi-Mundi’s age became an unlikely flashpoint, especially when the canon page on Ki-Adi-Mundi was edited on Wookieepedia to reflect his appearance in The Acolyte. This resulted in death threat messages against the editor, and these were publicly shared by Jordan Wilson - then a key member of the Social Media Team and administrator of the Wook. Wilson had not been given permission to make these public, however, and has since acknowledged that doing so was a mistake. This seems to be the inciting incident for a major change at Wookieepedia.
They should have self hosted like halopedia did
Movies>shows>books>comics>games>Christmas Specials
This was figured out a long time ago picardfacepalm.jpg
And below the Xmas Special are the sequels.
What sequels?
Unfortunately, the “promise” by Disney upon deleting the EU was a unified canon where all their Star Wars material would be equal. The reality is a lot messier now because canon conflicts still happen, but can’t be resolved officially by tiers.
Ach, Disney and their shenanigans. I’ve revised my tier list to suit myself
Original trilogy > anything written by Timothy Zhan > KOTOR > The Clone Wars > Andor > personal headcanon >
George Lucas’ fever dreamThe Prequels > Cool shit I read on Wookieepedia no matter the source > Books/Comics/Games > the rest of Disney > Christmas Special > SequelsI concur that for headcanon the tier list should be “things I personally enjoy>end”.
That’s a different discussion than how the canon is formally treated. If somebody asked what is canon, I would give a very different answer than if somebody asked what I personally consider an enjoyable interpretation of Star Wars.
You have it backwards, Christmas special is the ONLY definitive canon.
Actually, after sleeping, I’d like to amend my statement:
Original trilogy > anything written by Timothy Zhan > KOTOR > The Clone Wars > Andor > personal headcanon >
George Lucas’ fever dreamThe Prequels > Cool shit I read on Wookieepedia no matter the source > Books/Comics/Games > Disney > Christmas Special > Sequels
In the olden daze folks would argue over how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. Fighting over a sociopathic multi-national’s IP canon seems very much like arguing over pin heads and angels.
At least 15.
Listen here you bastard, it’s three tops
I’ll poke you with sticks for ten thousand years.
I swear, my descendants shalll never forget this mild slight.
Acolyte sucks but sw fans sure can be total pieces of poop. Like one tiny inconsistency is the least problem that show has lol but they fixate on such trivialities like some fanatics.
No wonder no one takes critique seriously if instead of shitty acting, pacing and direction you hyperfocus on some 4 seconds detail and toss a death threats too
The big issue wasn’t his age, it was what he said.
And fans are absolutely allowed to get upset by his age. This is a fandom that finds joy and prides itself in the details and nuances of the story’s world. How one thing plays into another. How a little detail can cause a butterfly effect a hundred or thousand years later.
Ignoring that core fandom is dumb.
Edit: just to add, they put him in because they knew what fans were going to say. Yet including him added absolutely nothing to the story. Why was he included in the first place?
It doesn’t matter jeez I am here to watch a good show. If something is good such things are never a problem. If something is good every second has its purpose and if retconning has a clear purpose that adds to the spectacle and the world then go ahead
I don’t think anyone who sat down and watched through the first 3 episodes can honestly say the show is being review bombed. Im enjoyed Ashoka and Boba Fett and I honestly have no interest in wasting my time finishing the show.
It’s like the nothing burgers of the Disney star wars comics. The Darth Vader series was great, and I love the idea of bleeding light sabers red. But everyone other series leading into the last Jedi was a waste of time, and I bought and read every single one.
I don’t think anyone who sat down and watched through the first 3 episodes can honestly say the show is being review bombed.
I can understand why people decided after the third episode that the show was bad, but I think that reaction was short-sighted and impatient.
A lot of the reviews decrying the third episode completely miss what I thought was very obvious in that episode: we were seeing the events through a single perspective, that of a child who is missing a significant amount of context. The “plot holes” are on purpose, to make the audience say, “Nah, that doesn’t add up.” Because it doesn’t.
Sure enough, in episode 7 we see the same events from more perspectives and, surprise, it makes a lot more sense. We get to see through the lies of the Jedi.
I’m not trying to say The Acolyte is perfect, but it’s a damn sight better than 3/10 or whatever IMDB has it as right now. And it brought a lot of cool stuff from Legends onto the screen.
I enjoyed the ride. The easter eggs were fun, the fight choreography was as solid, and Manny Jacinto is amazing.
I understand, and I definitely don’t fault anyone who likes the show or stuck through it. I just feel like too many shows I’ve been watching lately hasn’t been worth the slog to get through, and it’s been killing my excitement for franchises.
For example I haven’t watched house of the dragon because game of thrones rushed ending, Picard season 3 because of season 2, and I fell off the marvel train after Wanda vision, falcon and winter soldier, and she hulks endings, all shows that either ending in nothing burgers or wtf I guess we need to end somehow.
I just feel like too many shows I’ve been watching lately hasn’t been worth the slog to get through, and it’s been killing my excitement for franchises.
I feel this. I also haven’t bothered with House of the Dragon. Or the LotR show.
House of the Dragon is definitely a good show, also, completely different show runners than GOT. The overall arc, AFAIK, is also already written it’s part of GRRM’s history of the world, they’re only filling in details. LotR is forgettable slop without grander rhyme or reason in favour of moment-to-moment engagement.
As always, the key to enjoying Star Wars is to stay the hell away from Star Wars fandom.
And to stop watching after Episode Six.
…and you start with Episode Four, right?
Right??
“The other episodes are not stories that the Jedi would tell you.”
Well…Rogue One is pretty damn good.
Sure is! I was just taking a dig at Episodes 1-3. I rather liked Andor as well.
Of course. Four to six, and if I had time to waste, maybe one to three. The rest is bla.
And this comment is exactly why you should stay away from the Star Wars fandom.
Indeed. I like good Science Fiction. Star Wars is not on my list.
All of star wars is pretty decent if you look at it as “this is what I’m doing for the next two hours and then I’m going to move on with my life”
I’d argue that ep9 at best wasted my two hours and at wort burnt some braincells
Idk, I thought turning Star Wars into a comedy was a pretty bold move
I’ve been wanting to edit a laugh track into one of the recent movies to make it better for quite some time.
I should really get around to it when I finally can get my PC back up.
I haven’t even seen Ep 9, Episode 8 burned me. I haven’t even bothered to pirate download it.
Most memorable ep 8 moment:
“Huh, this scene is dragging on for a bit”
Looks at watch
Halfway through movie
“Oh. Oh no.”
How do you stay away from yourself?
Obscene amount of drugs.
Death threats??? It’s so fucking pathetically horrific, what the hell is wrong with people
I honestly didn’t even notice Mundi in The Acolyte. Death threats for an edit on a wiki is beyond ridiculous regardless of how you feel about the show, Disney, etc.
Fandom isn’t a good website anyway, maybe they can use the opportunity to move to their own site like Minecraft did a few months back.
The migration of the Old School RuneScape (and RS3) wikis to a standalone site was a night and day improvement in quality over the previous fandom. Something sponsored by the parent company is infinitely better.
Just say the Acolyte showed Ki-Adi Mundi Sr. and the prequel movies showed Ki-Adi Mundi Jr.
It did seem an odd fuss over what could be easily hand-waved away if required. However, his previous age doesn’t seem to be canon, so I assume this was approved from higher up as it gives us two known GR Jedi on the Council at the time.
Ki-Adi Mundians reproduce through budding like yeast does. Once the head is large enough, it pops off and forms its own Ki-Adi Mundi, a genetic duplicate of the parent.
Ahh, the miracles of life.
Actually, according to legends Ki-Adi Mundi fucks.
A lot.
He has 5 wives whom he does not love.
Which is why the Sr./Jr. explanation can make sense here. Both would be males of the endangered species so the Jedi allowed each to breed. The reason Mundi Jr. knows nothing about the Sith is because his father never said to him “I love you, son”, “Want to play catch, sport?”, or “There are Sith currently”
Tbh Is prefer this to Legends Mundi. Guys a dick
This resulted in death threat messages against the editor
What the fuck is wrong with such people? Get help.
Nobody hates Star Wars content and its fans as much as Star Wars fans do.
But you don’t get it, this one has trans people, and a lesbian, and a lesbian showrunner, and only like 2 white guys and one of them is the bad guy, and the main character is a fem presenting strong character (and theres 2 of them). They aren’t even white.
Why would Disney alienate their core audience, me a cis white straight bigot that is already mad that women and minorities and queers exist without them shoving it down my throat?
Don’t you get that this is a threat to my privilege?
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
All of this because of a minor character with, what, 5 lines and roughly 3 minutes of screentime throughout 3 movies?
All this because Disney continually hires people for star wars that seem to have active contempt for anything that came before. They just want to tell their story with a story wars skin, regardless of what is already established. The only widely regarded as good show also happens to be the only one to admit to consulting wookiepedia during writing.
This is totally unrelated, but –
Wookieepedia is the only lore site that makes sense to be written in the past tense. The stories take place a long time ago, after all.
In contrast, I hate the Forgotten Realms wiki. There’s no good reason for entries there to be written in the past tense. Grr.
???
So, would you have them go back through once a year or so, to change now historical data to be in the past tense, and only newly-added “current” content would be in the present tense? Seems a fuckload easier to just write it all in the past tense…
It’s not like everything happens in the FR at once… decades have passed since I started adventuring there.
No, that would be obnoxious. I would just have it all in the present tense. If you’re reading a page that was applicable in 3.5 but not 5e, just have a banner indicating the version it applies to. The Dwarf Fortress wiki does this and it’s clear to anyone reading.
Eh. To each their own I suppose. In my mind, any info that’s made it to the wiki has already happened and thus should be in the past tense. I don’t see it as up-to-the-minute live reporting.
Which one of the buttons on Darth Vader’s suit call his mom to come take him home? Huh? Can you tell me that wookiepedia?
Best Triumph.
