Most Linux users prob won’t care if Win10 dies.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    54
    ·
    2 months ago

    I have been a Linux user since 1995. Anyone that thinks that Linux is invulnerable is just silly.

    • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      2 months ago

      nothing is invulrenable. but good luck finding a vulrenability on openSUSE for example. Almost impossible. But just almost

    • blackbelt352@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      2 months ago

      It’s security through small market share. There’s just not enough major organizations using Linux as a default to warrant large numbers of all manor of gray or black hats to dig deep into finding the exploits.

      • Allero@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        18
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        There is an entire Linux server segment - exploiting Linux can be insanely profitable

      • mycelium underground@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        ·
        2 months ago

        You do know that almost the entire Internet runs on linux? Even Microsoft isn’t running very many windows servers. In my humble opinion, if you are running a server on Windows, you are batshit crazy.

        • Petter1@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 months ago

          I run a winServer, but only to test if our device we develop works with LDAP(S) hosted on winServer->ActiveDirectory/entraID, as well as WinServer->RADIUS->eap-tls

      • Ptsf@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        2 months ago

        There’s more money flowing through linux systems than you can even imagine. It’s an incredibly lucrative target that runs approx 85-90% of all internet service servers.

      • yonder@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        Much of the security that comes with most linux distros is due to how software is installed. On windows, you typically install random .exe files online and have to put your trust in whoever provided you with the installer. On linux, it’s much more common to use a package manager to install packages, which means you are putting your trust in the package repositories instead, which can be policed by the maintainers who can decline to add suspicious packages.

    • Tux@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      Can you actually pirate Windows LTSC?

      Is there any good guide?

      • blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        2 months ago

        It seems you can download the ISO directly from Microsoft, or from that site, and use their script to activate it.
        I haven’t had the opportunity to test it yet, but seems “legit” to me.

      • proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        The guide is on the site they linked. It works, I did it a few times. They have to mirror the LTSC installation files unfortunately, but there’s a guide on how to verify they’re genuine if you don’t trust them.

      • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        i’m the pirate of the biggest seas but even i wouldn’t pirate my os. if im gonna dual-boot, i will buy win10 2019 ltsc. it is survivable, key resellérs have ok deals

        • yonder@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Honestly, the way Massgrave works seems less sketchy than random keys from resellers. Massgrave is able to trick Microsoft into giving you a legit license key.

    • Mwa@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      Yeah I could use ltsc if I rlly needed windows for something, but it doesn’t have Microsoft store and stuff but it’s fine tho.

  • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 months ago

    btw if windows 10 dies, windows 11 will be forced on windows users, which is like 10000x times worse (personal experience). This is why i want to switch to linux when i get a decent computer (no, that linux distro i choose can’t be further from the “linux will run on everything” quote)

    • voxel@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      win11 is a major improvement tbh.
      process scheduling doesnt suck as much as it used to and bluetooth has AAC support (win10 only has sbc which sounds bad)
      defender is much harder to get rid of though (but you can still get rid of almost all online features and telemetry including ms accounts using group policies as long as you have Enterprise or a LTS version)

      • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        16
        ·
        2 months ago

        privacy is even more nonexistent, everything is cluttered and the gui is very inconsistent. And for me, bluetooth usually doesn’t work at all after updating for win11

        • voxel@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          2 months ago

          bt is not as good on linux (takes like 10 seconds to pick up my earbuds after i take them out vs up to 2 seconds on linux) but its still a major improvement. the new tiling seems pretty cool but eh didnt end up using it. virtual desktops and dual monitors work a lot better although switching desktops can break taskbar icons (and that bug still hasnt been fixed since release)

          • mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            For me, preinstalled windows 11 cannot connect to my android phone through bluetooth. Was afraid its hardware incompatibility but it just works in linux

      • Petter1@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        For me it is way less pain to set up and work using linux than…, …that…

    • yonder@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      I’ve used windows 11 once on a mini PC just because that is what was preinstalled and I needed to make sure everything worked. My first impressions of the core UI was actually kinda good except it’s windows, so you know literally none of the apps are going to follow the same design, so it really does not matter. I promptly put OPNsense on the miniPC as soon as I saw the 2 NICs show up in device manager.

      • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        the ui is very inconsistent on windows. You can have a time travel when browsing through the settings

        • yonder@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Exactly my point. Some of it looks nice like KDE, but the rest is just a mashup of different design languages and philosophies that do not mesh together. The disk utility comes to mind as one that is pretty horrible for how important it is.

      • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        better than Garuda? Bazzite is based on Fedora. I used fedora, and hated it. Basically no selection between packages, it only has a very few amount

          • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            since when it is dead… It is still an active project with thousands of users, the forum is also active. what is latte dock btw?

                • daggermoon@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  You wouldn’t? It shipped with The KDE-Dragonized version or whatever it’s called. I assumed you used that version because it’s the most popular version. I was asking if the Garuda devs still ship latte dock with the KDE edition.

        • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 months ago

          Chipping in, I have no idea what Garuda is, but I also hated working with Fedora, probably because I started off on Debian-based systems and couldn’t wrap my head around Fedora.

          Bazzite, being an immutable distro, is intended where you shouldn’t need to use the Fedora package manager, so you instead install applications sandboxed like AppImages, flatpaks, etc. I’ve been fine with this for my gaming PC, but currently I still use and prefer Debian (LMDE) for my study laptop because I have easier control over it.

          Overall it comes down to what you want out of your computer and what works best for you, that’s the beauty with Linux, but I thought I’d chip in and mention not to write off Bazzite for being Fedora based, as someone who couldn’t get behind Fedora.

          • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            2 months ago

            Garuda is an Arch-based, gaming-focused distro which tries to simplify Arch to a beginner’s level

          • Lyricism6055@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            2 months ago

            Just use distrobox with Ubuntu or Debian for your tools and such. It tightly integrates with your OS and doesn’t sacrifice the immutability

            • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              2 months ago

              I might consider that actually, I was trying to use secureblue instead of LMDE for the better security, and this was part of why I gave up on it. Cheers!

        • Lyricism6055@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          It’s awesome. The packages don’t matter because you use distro box if there’s not a flatpak that works already. I have an Ubuntu distro box for tools for things that don’t work on fedora.

          It uses ublueos for an immutable which is rock solid. Idk how to explain it well, but it’s the only distro I want anymore.

          If u do end up trying it and find a package that doesn’t work, ping me and I’ll get you a command you can run to do it

          • kekmacska@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            immutable? does it have an immutable file system? that’s a perfect way to fill up and corrupt any storage

            • Lyricism6055@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              2 months ago

              The root filesystem is immutable, not the entire filesystem. So when you do upgrades and things it’s super easy to roll back and you never need to rebuild your entire OS if a package is messed up or something.

              Tbh I’m not great at explaining it, I’d just look up a YouTube video for it.

              https://youtu.be/5w7gG0bMIeI?si=k1XGQDPbHxcborXe

              Bazzite uses silverblue with other gaming related features

              • Petter1@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                2 months ago

                I just use snapback on btrfs with endeavourOS 🤔 works just as well, I recon, or what is the difference?

                • Lyricism6055@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  I believe bazzite is on btrfs by default. I just like the concept of a read only root filesystem. It helps make everything more stable so far for me personally

  • csm10495@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    2 months ago

    This is true on one hand, but on the other hand, the businesses still using Ubuntu 10.04 with its original kernel would like a word.

  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    2 months ago

    You care so little that you made a meme about it, and have now reposted a slightly edited version of it roughly a day later.